Damiano gambit: Chigorin gambit vs 3...Ne7

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Yigor

Today I studied historical openings

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/ramified-core-of-historical-openings

and was interested by possibly the first systematically considered opening: Damiano gambit.

 

Damiano showed that 3...fxe5 is terrible and Chigorin discovered that 3...Qe7 gives black some survival hopes.

 

 

Nowdays engines suggest also 3...Ne7 never played in historical or master games:

 

 

Your thoughts? happy.png

 

N.B. (for me) PSCC codes:

2Ee1f      Damiano defense

6e2E1f    Damiano gambit

6f2Ee      Damiano gambit accepted

6e2Ed1f Chigorin gambit: main line

Btw, 2Ed is the Scandinavian pattern in Chigorin gambit.

 

 

Yigor

Chigorin gambit: main line :

 

 

poucin

Well,

3...fxe5 loses by force.

3...Qe7 almost, with black having trouble to develop

3...Ne7 is the lesser evil (avoiding Qh5 with g6) , when white can simply go back with 4.Nf3, pawn up and better position, Fc4 following.

No more thoughts, studying this is really a waste of time in my opinion.

Yigor
poucin wrote:

Well,

3...fxe5 loses by force.

3...Qe7 almost, with black having trouble to develop

3...Ne7 is the lesser evil (avoiding Qh5 with g6) , when white can simply go back with 4.Nf3, pawn up and better position, Fc4 following.

No more thoughts, studying this is really a waste of time in my opinion.

 

Thank you, master. happy.png Well, it's still a bit useful in historical context. Winning / losing positions are also worthy to be studied, not only equal ones. wink.png

dpnorman

This is a useless opening to analyze

Yigor
pfren wrote:

Actually there are a few games where 3...Ne7 was played (3 of them in correspondence chess) and Black scored a respectable 50%... almost, because it's obvious that white forfeited one game in a totally winning position.

What does this mean? Quite simply that white played like an idiot the second game he lost... Still, you can try playing 3...Ne7 OTB, but I'd rather waste my time in a more productive way.

 

 

Thanks for your insight. happy.png

Yigor

We discuss it here too:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/does-the-knight-sacrifice-refute-the-damiano-defence

Yigor

Okay, I'm launching the 1st test game (Explorer vs Explorer, 1 displayed line, d=20):

3...Ne7 4. Nc4 (+1.45) d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 (+1.27) 6. Nc3 (+1.21) Be6 (+1.37) 7. Nxd5 Qxd5 (+1.26) 8. Ne3 Qd6 9. d4 (+1.43) Nd7 (+1.49) 10. c3 O-O-O 11. Be2 Nb6 12. O-O (+1.34)

Well, I'll stop here, black has no compensation and white will win the endgame with high probability, 1-0.