Does anyone know how to put life into the petroff

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plutonia

Sacrificing a piece in the opening? no thanks!

 

I like the 5.Nc3 line. The point is to castle queenside so that

 

1) I have pressure on the semiopen d file, that makes it harder for black to advance his c pawn

 

2) my doubled pawns are actually good in fending off a pawnstorm, while I can advance my kingside pawns at will

 

3) better development: note that black's Q-knight was not ideal on c6 because of my c pawn, so he had to spend 2 moves to develop it to c5.

 

But most of all, black played the Petroff to have a boring and drawish position...and we answer with opposite-side castling! eheh, serves him right.

 

 

StevenBailey13

Thanks , a safer option there but it seems to me that the Nxf7 is sharper and I have it on good authority that a beginner such as myself should play the sharpest lines so as to familiarize myself with various tactics :)

AndyClifton

I don't know whether I necessarily buy the advice of your "good authority"...

AndyClifton
Expertise87 wrote:

3.Nc3 can also lead to a lively game depending on your style.

Or it can lead straight into Yawn City with the Four Knights.

gaereagdag

You could always try the Cochrane gambit with Nxf7 Laughing

AndyClifton

What, and give away a piece in the opening?  No way!

DrSpudnik
AndyClifton wrote:
Expertise87 wrote:

3.Nc3 can also lead to a lively game depending on your style.

Or it can lead straight into Yawn City with the Four Knights.

The yawn variation (a.k.a. 4-Knights) is a deadly weapon. Once your opponent starts yawning, he's through!

gaereagdag

OK. Let's liven up the Petroff.

Petroff was a monk in the Klavidian Sect in the Siberian wilderness. He studied the Qabbalah, the runes and herbal medicine. One day he did his horoscope. Since Saturn was square Neptune Petroff decided that it was a time for a long journey. So he went north. The runes told him to go north. Then he fell over a cliff and perished. But he became a mighty spirit called Petroffovska. This is the story of the life of Petroff.

dashkee94

A way to avoid the Petroff (and some other systems) is to play 1.e4, e5; 2.d4, ed4;, 3.Nf3 and transpose into the Scotch.

Expertise87

dashkee except if Black plays something other than 3...Nc6 ;)

dashkee94

Well, 3....Bc5 is OK, but 3....Nc6 is the most natural, transposing.  In blitz games, I get a lot of 3....c5, but those pawns blocking the a7-g1 diagonal can't be good.  And if, after 3....Nc6; 4.Bc4 is a good line.

ghostofmaroczy

From the Petroff, with the move order 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nf6 3 Nc3 Nc6 4 d4, can White force play towards the Scotch Game?

Expertise87

Sure, it's a Scotch Four Knights, which has been employed successfully by many top players in recent years. That's one of the lines I had in mind when I suggested 3.Nc3.

jempty's pet line against the Scotch Gambit is OK but simply 4.Bc4 Nf6 leaves White with no way to fight for an opening advantage.

zborg

Petroff Theory is huge.  Many gambits to choose from on the white side.

Try buying a good book first.  Reading comes second.  Posting Last. 

And it's only "drawish" at the GM level.  The tactics remain wild and crazy in most lines.

All the great WCCs played it.  What's not to like?

AndyClifton
coneheadzombie wrote:

Give it some love. The Petroff is lonely after all these years of abuse and denial.

Yep, the Petroff needs a hug.

jclheriteau

I also don't like to face the Petroff.

What is the main recommendation to liven things up without sacrificing a knight at move 4?

Andy, what would you play?

GasconJR

yes Andyclifton i am Instant Messenger with one Grand Instant Messenger norm :) ... the line with 5. Nc3 playing with the doubled pawns and oposite wings castle is also very interesting and without any doubt gives white more chances of obtain opening advantage than the sacrifice 4. Nxf7!? the only advantage of the sacrifice is that is less known. There is a lot of options 3.d4 is one of my favorites. And also playing with 3.Nxe5,d6 4. Nf3, Nxe4 5. d4 gives white reasonable winning chances. The Petrov is drawish just if white wants with a line like 5. Qe2 =. This is the problem of the Petrov with black. But with white there is a lot of ways to sharp the position...

BattleManager
dashkee94 wrote:

A way to avoid the Petroff (and some other systems) is to play 1.e4, e5; 2.d4, ed4;, 3.Nf3 and transpose into the Scotch.

3...Bb4+ is most likely what Petroff players will play and is probably better than transposing into the Scotch.

BattleManager
jempty_method wrote:
JRgascon wrote:

yes Andyclifton i am Instant Messenger with one Grand Instant Messenger norm :) ... the line with 5. Nc3 playing with the doubled pawns and oposite wings castle is also very interesting and without any doubt gives white more chances of obtain opening advantage than the sacrifice 4. Nxf7!? the only advantage of the sacrifice is that is less known. There is a lot of options 3.d4 is one of my favorites. And also playing with 3.Nxe5,d6 4. Nf3, Nxe4 5. d4 gives white reasonable winning chances. The Petrov is drawish just if white wants with a line like 5. Qe2 =. This is the problem of the Petrov with black. But with white there is a lot of ways to sharp the position...

I looked up your FIDE rating and it's not even 2300.  Way better than mine obviously (after my first tournament I had a provisional of 1975 but that did *not* last long)  However it seems FIDE is giving away GM norms now like candy canes.  My coach is an IM who got a GM norm or two decades ago, and he thinks all these 2700/2750+ players are ridiculous, and that Fischer, Karpov and/or Kasparov "in their prime" could beat almost all of them handily.  Good luck with your chess but being an IM and then recommending garbage like 4. Nxf7 is hardly helpful.

How many FIDE ratings do you not know here? But i agree about 4.Nxf7.

StevenBailey13

Nxf7 is actually by far the highest scoring move for white at that point.