I find this variation interesting, but it appears winning for white. Could you tell me your opinions?
French Defense: Marshall Variation
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LogoCzar
Dec 28, 2015
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6. Bb5+ main line ideas for white
Looks like with best play white will gain a pawn but be forced to give up the bishop pair, at least in the Bb5+ lines. I think Qe2+ lines probably offer more, but I need more analysis there.
There is a very interesting idea that I need more analysis on, it is 6. Qe2+
My computer prefers it by a lot, though it seems much harder to calculate. Could I have some help analyzing this?
Dec 28, 2015
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Interesting...what I always played on d4 was Ne4, keeping the pawn, but black has Bc5. I still think white is better in that line though, due to the bishop pair and potentially weak d4 pawn. However, that pawn also has a somewhat cramping effect on white's position so it all depends on the situation.
There is another interesting idea: Combining the 2
What do you guys think of this variation, of all of this? It can be found here:
Dec 28, 2015
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#6
Regarding Qe2+, that seems logical, and I like it. After Be7 then Ne4 with the threat of Nd6+, and the same on Ne7. Thus, black must play Be6 there and white has two options:
A). Ne4
Ne4 is met by simply Bxc5 and all that has changed from 6.Ne4 Bxc5 is that white's queen is misplaced on e2.
B). Qb5+
White goes pawn-grabbing. I think black gets some initiative after Bd7, perhaps enough (but definetly unclear), so Qd7 is probably best.
I would really want to see computer analysis of this opening. I don't have access to chessbase currently (away on vacation), but when I come back I will run this through it.
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
Interesting...what I always played on d4 was Ne4, keeping the pawn, but black has Bc5. I still think white is better in that line though, due to the bishop pair and potentially weak d4 pawn. However, that pawn also has a somewhat cramping effect on white's position so it all depends on the situation.
Thank you for the input! Could you clarify what line you are refering to?
Dec 28, 2015
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#8
logozar wrote:
There is another interesting idea: Combining the 2
What do you guys think of this variation, of all of this? It can be found here:
I think the variation is unsound. Your line looks quite convincing (by that I mean the Bb5+ followed by Qe2) and I just don't see any compensation for black. Black's better of with either the Rubenstein (dxe4), the Winawer (Bb4), or the Classical (Nf6).
Dec 28, 2015
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#9
logozar wrote:
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
Interesting...what I always played on d4 was Ne4, keeping the pawn, but black has Bc5. I still think white is better in that line though, due to the bishop pair and potentially weak d4 pawn. However, that pawn also has a somewhat cramping effect on white's position so it all depends on the situation.
Thank you for the input! Could you clarify what line you are refering to?
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
Regarding Qe2+, that seems logical, and I like it. After Be7 then Ne4 with the threat of Nd6+, and the same on Ne7. Thus, black must play Be6 there and white has two options:
A). Ne4
Ne4 is met by simply Bxc5 and all that has changed from 6.Ne4 Bxc5 is that white's queen is misplaced on e2.
B). Qb5+
White goes pawn-grabbing. I think black gets some initiative after Bd7, perhaps enough (but definetly unclear), so Qd7 is probably best.
I would really want to see computer analysis of this opening. I don't have access to chessbase currently (away on vacation), but when I come back I will run this through it.
Quick question on this:
How can black play Bc5 if white's knight is on d4?
for (B) Qb5+ looks interesting!
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
logozar wrote:
There is another interesting idea: Combining the 2
What do you guys think of this variation, of all of this? It can be found here:
I think the variation is unsound. Your line looks quite convincing (by that I mean the Bb5+ followed by Qe2) and I just don't see any compensation for black. Black's better of with either the Rubenstein (dxe4), the Winawer (Bb4), or the Classical (Nf6).
Thank you! I just wanted to analyze it because I have faced it otb twice (once in a tournement game yesterday) and so sometimes people play it because they don't see the flaw and I thought it would be fun analyzing it, maybe preparing a bit just in case.
And I agree, those are all better options.
Dec 28, 2015
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logozar wrote:
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
Regarding Qe2+, that seems logical, and I like it. After Be7 then Ne4 with the threat of Nd6+, and the same on Ne7. Thus, black must play Be6 there and white has two options:
A). Ne4
Ne4 is met by simply Bxc5 and all that has changed from 6.Ne4 Bxc5 is that white's queen is misplaced on e2.
B). Qb5+
White goes pawn-grabbing. I think black gets some initiative after Bd7, perhaps enough (but definetly unclear), so Qd7 is probably best.
I would really want to see computer analysis of this opening. I don't have access to chessbase currently (away on vacation), but when I come back I will run this through it.
Quick question on this:
How can black play Bc5 if white's knight is on d4?
for (B) Qb5+ looks interesting!
Ah, this is why I do not recommend doing serious analysis blindfolded :D
Regarding Qe2+, that seems logical, and I like it. After Be7 then Ne4 with the threat of Nd6+, and the same on Ne7. Thus, black must play Be6 there and white has two options:
A). Ne4
Ne4 is met by simply Bxc5 and all that has changed from 6.Ne4 Bxc5 is that white's queen is misplaced on e2.
You have got the right idea but Qe2 is well placed, and 6.Ne4 Bxc5?? 7.Nxc5 wins a piece. Qe2 defends the Bb5 from any Qa5+ lines.
Robert, according to your database, you played it 12 times
| 3...c5 | 12 |
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RubiksRevenge wrote:
Regarding Qe2+, that seems logical, and I like it. After Be7 then Ne4 with the threat of Nd6+, and the same on Ne7. Thus, black must play Be6 there and white has two options:
A). Ne4
Ne4 is met by simply Bxc5 and all that has changed from 6.Ne4 Bxc5 is that white's queen is misplaced on e2.
You have got the right idea but Qe2 is well placed, and 6.Ne4 Bxc5?? 7.Nxc5 wins a piece. Qe2 defends the Bb5 from any Qa5+ lines.
What about forks? Bxc5 Nxc5 Qa5+?
Parimarjan Negri book dismisses 3..c5? due to the line 4.exd5 exd5 5.dxc5 d4 6.Bb5+ Nc6 7.Qe2+ Be6 8.Ne4 is already close to winning.
Dec 28, 2015
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RubiksRevenge wrote:
Regarding Qe2+, that seems logical, and I like it. After Be7 then Ne4 with the threat of Nd6+, and the same on Ne7. Thus, black must play Be6 there and white has two options:
A). Ne4
Ne4 is met by simply Bxc5 and all that has changed from 6.Ne4 Bxc5 is that white's queen is misplaced on e2.
You have got the right idea but Qe2 is well placed, and 6.Ne4 Bxc5?? 7.Nxc5 wins a piece. Qe2 defends the Bb5 from any Qa5+ lines.
I said that the queen on e2 WAS well placed and Bxc5 Nxc5 Qa5+ is quite a simple tactic. However, after Bxc5 just Qb5+ as shown in one of the above posts.