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Explain the opening to me.

Edit 2017: People just read this because insane amount of views my Paul Morphy post got over the years lol 

Golbat

I don't believe 6. Nc3 constitutes the Fried Liver Attack.

EDIT: Now you've correctly identified the Fried Liver.

Jaguarphd


Usually that is the fried liver.

Well, not those moves exactly but it is 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5
Conquistador

Correction, 4.Ng5 is the two knights defense.

The Fried Liver Attack refers to a dubious variation after 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5?! 6.Nxf7!? with the knight sac.

Conquistador

In my mind, black is fine in the Fried Liver.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Nb4 9.a3 Nxc2+ 10.Kd1 Nd4 and black is fine.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Nb4 9.Qe4 c6 10.a3 Na6 11.d4 Nac7 12.Bf4 Kf7 13.Bxe5 Be6 14.0-0 Bd6 unclear.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Nb4 9.a3 Nxc2+ 10.Kd1 Nxa1 11.Nxd5 c6 12.Nb6+ Kd6 13.Nxa8 Qh4 14.Qd3+ Qd4 15.Qxd4+ exd4 and black has a slight endgame advantage.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Ne7 9.0-0 c6 10.Re1 Kd6 11.d4 Kc7

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Ne7 9.d4 c6 10.Bg5 h6 11.Bxe7 Bxe7 12.0-0-0 Rf8 13.Qe4 Bg5+ 14.Kb1 Rf4 15.Qxe5+ Kf7 16.Nxd5 cxd5 17.Bxd5+ Kf8 and white's attack is neutralized.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Nb4 9.a3 Nxc2+ 10.Kd1 Nxa1 11.Nxd5 Qh4 and black is fine.

Conquistador
rich wrote:

The fried liver is meant to be e4 e5 then Bc4 not Nf3.


That is the bishops opening.

Nytik

I believe theory says that this opening is a draw. However, care must be taken by both sides- white must keep the pressure until he manages to regain his material, and black must defend accurately. In practice, white can score better than black, but that is usually because he is much more prepared.

Conquistador
Nytik wrote:

I believe theory says that this opening is a draw. However, care must be taken by both sides- white must keep the pressure until he manages to regain his material, and black must defend accurately. In practice, white can score better than black, but that is usually because he is much more prepared.


I could not have said it better myself.  To be honest though, this is a knightmare for black over the board.  The lolli attack is still the way to go.  6.d4!

Nytik
Conquiscador wrote:
Nytik wrote:

I believe theory says that this opening is a draw. However, care must be taken by both sides- white must keep the pressure until he manages to regain his material, and black must defend accurately. In practice, white can score better than black, but that is usually because he is much more prepared.


I could not have said it better myself.  To be honest though, this is a knightmare for black over the board.  The lolli attack is still the way to go.  6.d4!


Yes, the Lolli Attack is much stronger, and probably a win for white- why people try sacking their knight is beyond me! (O.K., I used to play the FLA, be quiet! Wink)

atomichicken

Is it just me or do a lot of people REALLY like that opening on this site?

e4forme

 Here are Two Main lines of the "Fried Liver Attack". It was first played by Polerio in 1590!  Computer Analysis shows both lines as virtually even, no advantage even though White has Sacrificed a Piece! That is due to the Fact that White has plenty of compensation for that Knight.
 If Black can carefully Defend... He is supposed to have the Advantage...lol Rubbish! The Databases will show you that White prevails most of the Time! It is easier to Attack than Defend. That is why people go to extremes to avoid defending this attack. I prefer to play the Ulvestad Variation with 5... b5!
 There is a Fischer Variation where White plays d4 the move before the Knight Sacrifice, it is deadly!!
 My take on this is, in the Main Lines, Black is best if he can trade down the Pieces! or Break the Pin and seek Shelter. White is Best to Complicate and Dogpile, Avoid the Exchanges!

'Fried Liver' Main Lines

Steinitz Variation
1. e4   e5
2. Nf3  Nc6
3. Bc4  Nf6
4. Ng5  d5
5. exd5 Nxd5
6. Nxf7 Kxf7
7. Qf3+ Ke6
8. Nc3  Ncb4
9. Qe4  c6
10. a3  Na6

Zukertort Variation
1. e4   e5
2. Nf3  Nc6
3. Bc4  Nf6
4. Ng5  d5
5. exd5 Nxd5
6. Nxf7 Kxf7
7. Qf3+ Ke6
8. Nc3  Nce7
9. O-O  c6
10. Re1

Fischer
6. d4

Ulvestad Variation
1. e4   e5
2. Nf3  Nc6
3. Bc4  Nf6
4. Ng5  d5
5. exd5 b5
6. Bxb5 Qxd5
7. Bxc6+ Qxc6
8. O-O  Bb7
9. f3   h6
10. Nh3 O-O-O

MrVeryGood
atomichicken wrote:

Is it just me or do a lot of people REALLY like that opening on this site?

Yes, if you like to lose :-) Here is a nice collection of mates:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/181747000/The-Fried-Liver-Attack-31-chess-puzzles-in-the-opening

All talk about black is doing fine, is just talk :-)

lolurspammed

It's not fine for black. Black is dead if he doesn't give something back.

kenlaishram

Veganomnomnom WROTE:

9.Bb3 and 9.O-O should both be somewhat better for White.6.d4 isn't any better, Black can play 6...Nxd4 or accept a slightly worse game with 6...Be6

Veganomnomnom WROTE: 9.Bb3 and 9.O-O should both be somewhat better for White.6.d4 isn't any better, Black can play 6...Nxd4 or accept a slightly worse game with 6...Be6

SlayerCandidateBam

I am playing these lines for years now and I will recommend not to play fried liver instead of that play loli attack with e4 e5 nf3 nc6 bc4 nf6 ng5 d4 exd4 nxd4 now comes the blow d4 bamm hahaha !!! so now our plan is to play o-o and then play re1 and go for nxf7 type attacks

SlayerCandidateBam

achintyavatsraj0680 wrote:

I am playing these lines for years now and I will recommend not to play fried liver instead of that play loli attack with e4 e5 nf3 nc6 bc4 nf6 ng5 d4 exd4 nxd4 now comes the blow d4 bamm hahaha !!! so now our plan is to play o-o and then play re1 and go for nxf7 type attacks

and believe me this attack is much better and more enjoyable than fried liver attack you can also see the video on YouTube

lolurspammed

A couple of your moves were illegal bruh..

camberfoil

This is always fun to play:



camberfoil

I'd say it's worth it; you still get 2 pawns and a positional advantage for the knight. 

camberfoil
Veganomnomnom wrote:

Oh god, I just looked at what you were playing. Did you even look at 4...Qxg5 winning a piece?

After which you play d4 with a gain of tempo.