Give Me Your Thoughts on Sicilian Defense (White Side)

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llama47

Someone recently asked me to sum up the Sicilian defense from the white side.

Sometimes I feel like I can give a quick summary of something... you know... by leaving out 99% of information, but just giving the 1% that will help the beginner who is asking.

But I honestly don't know what to say for the Sicilian since there are so many different things black can do (I assume they're trying to play 2.Nf3 3.d4 normal stuff). Maybe something like "castle on opposite sides and try to pawn storm attack" ??

Just wondering how others might try to answer the question.

ninjaswat

If you want to play the Open, then you'll have a lot of work on your hands. If not and you play a sideline, you won't have as much. However you will still need to be able to respond to e6, g6, and d6 setups, as those are the three main types Sicilian players usually employ. I prefer the closed Sicilian as it has a similar approach to all of them.

llama47

So you'd reduce it down to 3 basic things they'll have to prepare for, hmm, ok.

ninjaswat
llama47 wrote:

So you'd reduce it down to 3 basic things they'll have to prepare for, hmm, ok.

That's all I've really had to prepare for. Generally if you give them more than 3 concrete lines they struggle based off of my experience teaching the Vienna to a few people.

llama47

Yeah, I really didn't have a good feel for how much is too much information vs how much is too little information.

Giving them 3 things to think about seems reasonable.

Ziryab

Smith-Morra! 

 

Lost to it in eight moves in 1998. Now I play it.

Vibhansh_Alok

I thought you're going to make llama49 this time

Em-m

I'd say the Sicilian is a great flexible and combative defense. From the white side, the open Sicilian offers a lot of room for creativity and initiative; closed Sicilians allow for a more strategic game but not as repetitive or familiar as the Italian and Ruy Lopez. The best part is that most games are decisive compared to other popular openings, the not so good part is that there is a great deal of theory and that can be a challenge when you are looking to gain an advantage for either side. Overall, I love the Sicilian because there's just a variety of ways to play it.

A lot of pawn structures, setups, and study arises from it; then there are so many beautiful games (classic and modern) in the Sicilian; finally it's a great chess experience. Things like opposite side castling attacks, sacrifices, and a huge struggle for the initiative through calculation and creativity can be found in the Sicilian.

blueemu

In the Sicilian, White has the short-term advantages (faster development, more controlled space, centralization) and Black has the long-term advantages (better Pawn structure, two center Pawns against one, better potential Pawn breaks).

So White has the better game initially but he must exploit his advantages early, because Black holds the long-term trumps and if left alone will be gradually improving his position and will take over the advantage.

White wins the short games, and Black wins the long ones.

NikkiLikeChikki
Two things. 1. Tell them it’s not the Italian so don’t treat it that way. 2. Show the basics of the c3 Sicilian since it’s easy to remember and play for beginners.
RussBell

@blueemu (above) has covered the essence of the issue in a nutshell very nicely, which is that, broadly speaking, in the Sicilian the early initiative in development and space generally favors White, while pawn structure favors Black.  It's a matter of which side can use their advantages most effectively and quickly.

The following is an excellent overview of all of the variations of the Sicilian.....(check out the book's Introduction. page 7)...

Starting Out The Sicilian by John Emms...

https://www.pdfdrive.com/starting-out-the-sicilian-e186404275.html

Also check out...

Experts vs. the Sicilian by Jacob Aagaard & John Shaw (editors)...

The Sicilian, from White's perspective, each chapter written by an expert on a specific variation...

https://www.pdfdrive.com/experts-vs-the-sicilian-e159000115.html

both PDFdrive and Scribd are safe sites for downloading copies of books...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/scribd-com-for-online-chess-book-reading

nighteyes1234

The white side...hmm..strange question. Sounds like you have someone tossing out c5 as grandmasters they are. And so what is white going to do about it? c5 is  so much better because fried liver attack. 

Well white plays 2 bc4 in response and is going to win in 4 by the same logic. There is 2 qh5 , but nf6 is too much of a defense.

 

 

 

 

RAU4ever

I'd just keep it easy: white plays 3. d4 and his pieces get to be in the center. Usually you'll castle queenside and if black castles kingside, you'll go for a pawn rush there, prefering h4 to g4. If black does the same, don't get too overly defensive, as white usually strikes first. However, don't forget that endgames are generally pretty nice for white too. So, don't be too afraid to exchange those queens off in, say, a dragon. White really doesn't need to know more than this tbh to just be able to play it regularly.

EBowie
Castle queenside

Pawn storm the kingside

Watch your own king safety, particularly on the C file
Ziryab
RussBell wrote:

@blueemu (above) has covered the essence of the issue in a nutshell very nicely, which is that, broadly speaking, in the Sicilian the early initiative in development and space generally favors White, while pawn structure favors Black.  It's a matter of which side can use their advantages most effectively and quickly.

Also check out...

Experts vs. the Sicilian by Jacob Aagaard & John Shaw (editors)...

The Sicilian, from White's perspective, each chapter written by an expert on the specific variation...

https://www.pdfdrive.com/experts-vs-the-sicilian-e159000115.html

both PDFdrive and Scribd are safe sites for downloading copies of books...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/scribd-com-for-online-chess-book-reading

 

Is this book out of print?

RussBell
Ziryab wrote:
RussBell wrote:

@blueemu (above) has covered the essence of the issue in a nutshell very nicely, which is that, broadly speaking, in the Sicilian the early initiative in development and space generally favors White, while pawn structure favors Black.  It's a matter of which side can use their advantages most effectively and quickly.

Also check out...

Experts vs. the Sicilian by Jacob Aagaard & John Shaw (editors)...

The Sicilian, from White's perspective, each chapter written by an expert on the specific variation...

https://www.pdfdrive.com/experts-vs-the-sicilian-e159000115.html

both PDFdrive and Scribd are safe sites for downloading copies of books...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/scribd-com-for-online-chess-book-reading

 

Is this book out of print?

Not sure.  You would have to check that with the publisher, Quality Chess.  Their website says only that it is sold out.  But that may not be the same thing as out of print...

https://www.qualitychess.co.uk/products/1/8/experts_vs_the_sicilian_2nd_edition_by_aagaard_and_shaw/

Amazon apparently does not have it in stock, as evidenced by the outrageous asking price by 3rd party sellers...

https://www.amazon.com/Experts-Sicilian-Paperback-August-2006/dp/B010EX28GG/ref=sr_1_2?crid=KXLGI8NTA9HE&keywords=experts+vs+the+sicilian&qid=1636906256&qsid=144-4486492-1814835&sprefix=experts+vs%2Cstripbooks%2C219&sr=8-2&sres=9197524336%2CB010EX28GG%2C1784830593%2CB083JWZNW7%2CB07PX3X5WL%2C1857449886%2CB08LBHCXGN%2C1541644425%2CB08586NDKT%2C140004345X%2CB08HVXMQ87%2CB085RDT4F7%2C0875682707%2CB07JQ6CDTQ%2CB0827HSQQJ%2CB083JZRCSS&srpt=ABIS_BOOK

Thus, it you want to check out the contents of the book, the better alternative appears to be a pdf download as I have suggested above.  I can assure you that both Scribd and PDFdrive are safe and easy to use.  I have downloaded over a hundred copies of chess books from the former (most using their free trial), and several dozen from the latter (which is completely free), with no problems.

null_day

My repertoire against sicilian defence for white - https://openings101.org/sicilian-defence-white .

Mostly main lines or lines which I consider to be the most prominent.

MichalMalkowski

What is sicilian like in a nutshell? An extremally combative opening.  Blueeumu has described it just about right, but note that white might chose a  calmer line then the open sicilian.

 

In open sicilian both sides are on a minefield and a quick knockout is possible. Black being the one be knocked is theoretically more probable, but know that in practice black is often the more experienced side.

Sicilian is the reason why 1.e4 is a weaker move then 1.d4.

llama47

Thanks for all the responses happy.png

LM_player
Fianchetto the bishop on the Queenside, play the Light squared bishop to b5 and trade it off if opponent insists on kicking it away, and build a center with moves like f4, d3, Qe2, Nf3, with future options of c4, Nc3, or Nbd2. Maneuvers like c2-c4 with e4-e5 are good for disturbing Black’s center, while techniques like h3-g4 pawn pushes are good ideas for starting a Kingside attack. Castling Kingside or Queenside will depend on how you plan to attack.

Basically, opt for a Snyder/Westerinen Attack, a very underrated and flexible anti-Sicilian in practice.