Look moron! We don't need a lecture by someone that has no clue what he's talking about. And your speel in post 23 is useless as the topic of this thread is the Veresov, fool!
The Veresov is 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 OR 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bg5
To claim that the Veresov is a "Grunfeld" is like Claiming a "Pirc" is a "King's Indian Defense" simply because Black's moves are the same. THEY ARE NOT!
After 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3, 2...d5 3.Bg5 leads to the Veresov unless play proceeds 3...e6 4.e4 (White has independent lines, but 4.e4 is a direct Transposition to the French), most other moves will transpose to something else. 2...c5 3.d5 e5 is the Closed Benoni (not to be confused with the Czech Benoni where White's c-pawn is on c4).
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d6 3.e4 g6 is a direct Transposition to the Pirc Defense.
However, in NONE of these cases do you have a Grunfeld, no matter how much you want to argue it, FOOL!
Only moron in this thread is you Thriller ^^^^ 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 does not classify the position a Veresov Attack?
Furthermore, White can not force the position into a Veresov Attack.
Simply because it is black to move.
The person who showed a Veresov Attack on post #3 was not the OP.
After the post was shown the OP said he didn't know if he would play the move 2...d5
What I said on post #23 helped the OP because he likes playing the Gruenfeld.
At which point I do not see why he doesn't play the other Gruenfeld as well.
He can play the Gruenfeld.
If he doesn't want to play 2...d5
Than the OP can play 2...g6 or 2...d6
Look, if you are going to try to quote people, quote what they said you GDMF'ing MORON!
NOWHERE DID I EVER SAY THAT 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 IS A VERESOV!
RE-READ POST 26, FOOL!
QUOTE: "The Veresov is 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 OR 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bg5"
AND: "After 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3, 2...d5 3.Bg5 leads to the Veresov unless play proceeds 3...e6 4.e4 (White has independent lines, but 4.e4 is a direct Transposition to the French), most other moves will transpose to something else. 2...c5 3.d5 e5 is the Closed Benoni (not to be confused with the Czech Benoni where White's c-pawn is on c4)."
NOWHERE IN THAT GDMF'ING MESSAGE DID I EVER SAY THAT 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 IS A VERESOV, AND NOWHERE DID I EVER SAY IT WAS WHITE TO MOVE AT THAT POINT, FOOL!
IF YOU ARE GOING TO GO AROUND CORRECTING PEOPLE, GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF WHERE THE SUN DOESN'T SHINE, AND QUOTE PEOPLE PROPERLY! MAYBE YOU WOULDN'T SOUND LIKE SUCH A MORON IF YOU LEARNED SOME COMMON SENSE!
I will show POST 26 AGAIN FOR YOU
Look moron! We don't need a lecture by someone that has no clue what he's talking about. And your speel in post 23 is useless as the topic of this thread is the Veresov, fool!
The Veresov is 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5 OR 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bg5
To claim that the Veresov is a "Grunfeld" is like Claiming a "Pirc" is a "King's Indian Defense" simply because Black's moves are the same. THEY ARE NOT!
After 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3, 2...d5 3.Bg5 leads to the Veresov unless play proceeds 3...e6 4.e4 (White has independent lines, but 4.e4 is a direct Transposition to the French), most other moves will transpose to something else. 2...c5 3.d5 e5 is the Closed Benoni (not to be confused with the Czech Benoni where White's c-pawn is on c4).
1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d6 3.e4 g6 is a direct Transposition to the Pirc Defense.
However, in NONE of these cases do you have a Grunfeld, no matter how much you want to argue it, FOOL!
The Topic Title of this thread is the big green header at the top.
Good opening to play against d4 Nf6 Nc3
Once you read the big green header you should understand it is not the Veresov which means you claiming 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 as a Veresov thread wrong!
As for my color choice of red and green.
I decided to use those colors since we are approaching Christmas!
I am keeping in the Christmas Spirit.
I am happy you have seen the error of your ways.
Hopefully my early Christmas gift of sharing the knowledge of the Veresov starting position has helped you understand the Veresov move order more better.
Your welcome buddy.
Give it up dpnorman - clearly his IQ is below 40.
He even thinks there are two Chigorin Defenses.
There is only 1! One is a "Defense", the other is a "Variation"!
Chigorin "Defense": 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6
Chigorin "Variation" of the "Ruy Lopez": 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O 9.h3 Na5