Having trouble meeting 1 d4. Was using budapest gambit...

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Roberto_Tilapia

I've been having a lot of fun with 1 d4 Nf6 2 c4 e5, the Budapest gambit.  I finally felt like I had a handle on d4.  But I'm having trouble now after 1 d4 Nf6 2 Nf3.  This move seems to prevent my plan and I don't have any idea what to do against it.  I don't even know what it's called to look it up.  

Do you guys have any advice for me?  Also, I'm interested in trying out the QGD if that would help me avoid this crisis.

GMVillads

2. Nc3 is not a good move. Just Can just play d5 and later or sooner you Will play C5 and take an advantage in the center.

But why Budapest gambit? Against d4 i play the Nice and active opening Black Knights Tango. 1. D4 Nf6 2. C4 Nc6. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knights'_Tango

You Can also play King Indian, nimzo, bogo and grunfeld. They are also good openings.

pfren

1.d4 is "refuted" by playing chess, pretty much like any other opening.

DeepImpact

Laughing

yap Nc3  to stop the dangerous budapest!

gtkrouwel

why not d4 Pf6 Pf3

fischers60memorized

2. Nc3 is nothing to worry about, it's 2. Nf3 that really puts a damper on the Budapest, though I used to respond with 2...c5 and thereby still get somewhat of an open position unless White played 3. d5, though then 3...b5 is a Benko Gambit move without the gambit.  Finally though I'd had enough of crappy positions with the Budapest that I took up the Dutch -- from the frying pan into the fire....

Roberto_Tilapia

Yes, actually I meant to type Nf3 in the first place.

ArchangelMichael

Well, as a player of the Budapest, I can suggest another gambit try in response to 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3, the Blumenfeld, leading to a very aggressive attempt by Black.



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stalematingintellect

The Blumenfeld is a good suggestion!

ThrillerFan
ArchangelMichael wrote:

Well, as a player of the Budapest, I can suggest another gambit try in response to 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3, the Blumenfeld, leading to a very aggressive attempt by Black.

 



Don't get the delusional idea that the Blumenfeld is a good opening.  It's dubious at best.

White should NEVER play 5.dxe6, accepting the Gambit.  White should play 5.Bg5 with advantage!

ArchangelMichael

If it was fail safe, it wouldn't be chess. Much less, a gambit.

TitanCG

Karpov's idea of playing e4 in the Blumenfeld instead of e3 looks hard to deal with. I don't think most people will find it but the ones that do will give you a hard time.Maybe 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 c5 3.d5 b5 is ok?

Nimzo defence players that don't want to play the queen's indian or bogo indian usually play the Benoni having sidestepped the dangerous and theoretical Bb5 stuff or queen's gambit declined althogh the latter isn't very gambitty... There's also that Benoni where you don't play e6. Nakamura and others have tried it:

http://www.chesstape.com/index.php/advanced/caruana-vs-nakamura-benoni-defence-2013-tata-steel-rd10

RyanMurphy5

Don't give up the budapest, it's fun and not super theoretical.  If they try to discourage it with 2.Nf3, I always like c5.  Go for a benoni this way if you can get it, or at least an open position with tactical chances for both sides.  I assume that's the sort of thing you want if you play the budapest to begin with.

NimzoRoy

What's the BFD as Black after 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3? This doesn't have a name btw other than "QP Opening" at this pt. You could play the Dutch Defense 1.d4 f5 but you'll probably find out why it isn't that popular compared to QGD and Indian Defenses - the hard way. Or you could play 1...g6 vs 1.de or 1.e4 and play a Modern Defense all the time but I think that's boring and too positional for players here rated under 1800 (maybe even under 2000).

What opening(s) or setups if you don't know the names have you had problems with from this point? Post a few games you lost with this setup so why can see what the problem(s) is(are) and if they're really related to your opening moves or not.

2...d5, 2...e6 and 2...g6 are all good here, I suggest 2...d5 if 3.c4 e6 = QGD; 3.Nf3 can lead to the Colle System while 3.Bg5 may turn into a Torre Attack and other possible White lines such as 3.Bf4 are all less forceful than the QGD (IMHO) which is why they are much less popular.

GreenLeaf14

Try the KID structure....Nf6...g6...Bg7...O-O...d6...and maybe if you want a6...b5...Bb2....But the move order of the moves(first 5) may vary dependind to what your opponent plays...hope i helped...:)