No, it's a good move.
Is C4 REALLY the worst opening move?
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Jul 5, 2022
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#3
Some guy name Bobby opened up multiple times with c4 in the WC.
Titled players seem to do well:
Jul 5, 2022
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#4
Ding, Ian himself ironically :
https://www.chess.com/games/view/16046718
https://www.chess.com/games/view/16180903
Wesley So
https://www.chess.com/games/view/16058894
Those guys are okay players?
Magnus:
https://www.chess.com/games/view/15593315
Jul 5, 2022
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#5
NDMrB wrote:
In an interview during the Candidates, Nepo responded to a question about "what is the most fun opening in chess". Nepo replied by saying that c4 is the worst possible opening in chess. Do you think this is true? Is there any high-level player who has ever tried to begin a game with c4? Does c4 allow you to develop anything and is there a worse open than playing c4?
On a personal note, I play the English for the enjoyment, variety and playable positions such as the Reversed Sicilian, Botvinnik System and Nimzo-Larsen Attack.
It’s relatively low in theory and less tricks or traps compared to e4 and d4; gives me to freedom choose what ever I please:
https://www.chess.com/game/live/50384346951
https://www.chess.com/game/live/24620535969
https://www.chess.com/game/live/37687801027
No. 1. c4 is one of the best openings there is.
1. f3 is probably the worst, as it weakens White’s king and obstructs his knight.
1. f3 is probably the worst, as it weakens White’s king and obstructs his knight.
Jul 5, 2022
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LM_player wrote:
No. 1. c4 is one of the best openings there is.
1. f3 is probably the worst, as it weakens White’s king and obstructs his knight.
1. f3 is probably the worst, as it weakens White’s king and obstructs his knight.
yea,you are right
Capablanca said 1 e4 and 1 d4 are superior.
Botvinnik advocated 1 c4 as he liked to play the Sicilian in reverse.
Korchnoi advocated 1 c4 as a way to avoid the Grünfeld Defence he thought strong.
Fischer played 1 c4 against Spassky to transpose to 1 d4 openings as a surprise and true to his principles "1 d4 = dull & drawwish" "1 e4 best by test". He never opened 1 d4 on principle.
Carlsen has tried 1 c4 against Caruana, as he got nothing with 1 e4 or 1 d4.
NDMrB wrote:
In an interview during the Candidates, Nepo responded to a question about "what is the most fun opening in chess". Nepo replied by saying that c4 is the worst possible opening in chess. Do you think this is true? Is there any high-level player who has ever tried to begin a game with c4? Does c4 allow you to develop anything and is there a worse open than playing c4?
In fairness to Nepo, he was talking about a book he read as a child, by Luis Ramírez de Lucena, in which Lucena said that 1. c4 was possibly the worst move ever, and the reason being that you can no longer develop your bishop to c4 or b5, to which Radjabov and Ding had a good laugh.
Jul 6, 2022
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#10
He has actually done well against it the last few years.
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In an interview during the Candidates, Nepo responded to a question about "what is the most fun opening in chess". Nepo replied by saying that c4 is the worst possible opening in chess. Do you think this is true? Is there any high-level player who has ever tried to begin a game with c4? Does c4 allow you to develop anything and is there a worse open than playing c4? no
Jul 6, 2022
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#12
No but with white even 1) a3 can be good. Example 1) e4-c5 2) Nf3-a6 can be good for black, 1) a3-e5 2) c4-Nf6 is exactly the same position with reversed color.
White can play "anything", white is rarely in bad position example 1) e3-e5 2) e4 (is just same position that 1. e4-e5 with reversed color)
1 Resign Is possibly a bad move! But is this question real?
Jul 6, 2022
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#14
NDMrB wrote:
In an interview during the Candidates, Nepo responded to a question about "what is the most fun opening in chess". Nepo replied by saying that c4 is the worst possible opening in chess. Do you think this is true? Is there any high-level player who has ever tried to begin a game with c4? Does c4 allow you to develop anything and is there a worse open than playing c4?
Do you really believe everything you hear?
The grass is blue. The sky is green. The 8-ball is White. The cue ball is Black.
Common sense dude! It is arguable what the worst move it, but it surely is not 1.c4.
I saw one already say f3. Another possibility might be 1.g4 as not only does g4 weaken the king but it can be attacked more easily than f3.
Not saying g4 is or is not worse than f3. The point is that sheer common sense would prove 1.c4 is not the worst move.
Now there could be debate of where it ranks amongst the 20 legal moves, but it surely is in the top 5!
Korchnoi, Botvinnik, Uhlmann, and many others frequently played 1.c4 as White!
The only reasonable explanation is that NDMrB completely misheard what Nepo said.
magipi wrote:
The only reasonable explanation is that NDMrB completely misheard what Nepo said.
As I said, he was merely referencing a book by Luis Ramírez de Lucena and you can watch exactly what he said here (starting from 2:05): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTMnKiA5BTs
Jul 6, 2022
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AceFrawley wrote:
magipi wrote:
The only reasonable explanation is that NDMrB completely misheard what Nepo said.
As I said, he was merely referencing a book by Luis Ramírez de Lucena and you can watch exactly what he said here (starting from 2:05): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTMnKiA5BTs
Exactly, I had YouTube on in the background and heard Nepo talking about c4 and completely missed that he was referencing the book. It now makes more sense in context.
@DubstepJunkie - Lucena's book was from the 15th century.
In an interview during the Candidates, Nepo responded to a question about "what is the most fun opening in chess". Nepo replied by saying that c4 is the worst possible opening in chess. Do you think this is true? Is there any high-level player who has ever tried to begin a game with c4? Does c4 allow you to develop anything and is there a worse open than playing c4?