Is the Ruy Lopez opening actually good?

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My favorite trap: Ruy Lopez, fishing pole variation

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it is very unsound

 

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Some people never play it as White but are on the receiving end of it when Black. I  bought a book called SPANISH WITHOUT a6 in the 70s and have been playing the Classical Defence ever since but I still do not enjoy it.

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The Ruy Lopez Opening is good due to its high percentages and its motifs and theory. However, just because of the Marshall Attack, I like to play the Giucco Piano and Scotch Game.

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Other strong master such as GM Aleksandr Delchev and IM Daniel Rensch plays these systems.

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Yeah, I like playing the Guicco piano both as white and as black

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yes, it is a very good opening. 

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As black, I also like to play the Caro Kann defense against white, and if they go for Nc3 and Nxe4. then Nd7, preparing Nf6. a favorite of Anatoly Karpov

 

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nuuu

closed is better

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Yeah, I like the closed variation. However, the open variation is also interesting.

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In that game, white has a better pawn structure, but black's bishops and queen are preparing to launch a large attack upon the kingside. I'd call it an even position. That game is a very interesting line of play.

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amoghakella wrote:

Is the Ruy Lopez actually good?

The Ruy Lopez starts out with 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5. 3. Bb5 is a highly aggressive move, and it will give you a disadvantage if your opponent plays certain moves, like the Morphy defense.

If your opponent plays the Morphy defense, 3. ...a6, you will most likely play 4. Ba4. Then he can play 4. ...b5, forcing the bishop to move again. The bishop has moved 3 times during the opening, violating one of the basic opening principles: Don't move a piece more than once during the opening. 

Black has the initiative and a huge developmental advantage. It should be an easy win for him.

I believe that the Ruy Lopez is a bad opening if countered in the right way. What do you think?

 

You are a very brave person, suggesting that the oldest and most popular chess opening ever is dubious! Lots of Ruy Lopez players here might get upset! wink.png You might well be the bravest person on these forums!

In all seriousness, the Berlin Defense has significantly weakened the Ruys potency, to the point where some top players stopped using it. 

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amoghakella wrote:

Is the Ruy Lopez actually good?

The Ruy Lopez starts out with 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5. 3. Bb5 is a highly aggressive move, and it will give you a disadvantage if your opponent plays certain moves, like the Morphy defense.

If your opponent plays the Morphy defense, 3. ...a6, you will most likely play 4. Ba4. Then he can play 4. ...b5, forcing the bishop to move again. The bishop has moved 3 times during the opening, violating one of the basic opening principles: Don't move a piece more than once during the opening. 

Black has the initiative and a huge developmental advantage. It should be an easy win for him.

I believe that the Ruy Lopez is a bad opening if countered in the right way. What do you think?

uh, is this post for real? 3. Bb5 does not give white a disadvantage and saying so makes you sound like a nitwit. Black has a lead in development? moving pawns is not "development" and by moving all those pawns black has created some weaknesses which may very well become targets later in the game. Your analysis of the situation is too simpleton. 

The lopez is one of the most highly respected of all chess openings (for both sides) because it leads to such rich, diverse, complicated, and interesting positions. There is no automatic easy path to advantage for white, and no automatic easy path to equality for black (maybe other than the Berlin) which ironically was condemned as a loser decades ago in the opening books. But modern theory believes otherwise. Anyway, you would do well to do your homework and research a little further before posting such utter rubbish my friend. 

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Morphys-Revenge wrote:
amoghakella wrote:

Is the Ruy Lopez actually good?

The Ruy Lopez starts out with 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5. 3. Bb5 is a highly aggressive move, and it will give you a disadvantage if your opponent plays certain moves, like the Morphy defense.

If your opponent plays the Morphy defense, 3. ...a6, you will most likely play 4. Ba4. Then he can play 4. ...b5, forcing the bishop to move again. The bishop has moved 3 times during the opening, violating one of the basic opening principles: Don't move a piece more than once during the opening. 

Black has the initiative and a huge developmental advantage. It should be an easy win for him.

I believe that the Ruy Lopez is a bad opening if countered in the right way. What do you think?

uh, is this post for real? 3. Bb5 does not give white a disadvantage and saying so makes you sound like a nitwit. Black has a lead in development? moving pawns is not "development" and by moving all those pawns black has created some weaknesses which may very well become targets later in the game. Your analysis of the situation is too simpleton. 

The lopez is one of the most highly respected of all chess openings (for both sides) because it leads to such rich, diverse, complicated, and interesting positions. There is no automatic easy path to advantage for white, and no automatic easy path to equality for black (maybe other than the Berlin) which ironically was condemned as a loser decades ago in the opening books. But modern theory believes otherwise. Anyway, you would do well to do your homework and research a little further before posting such utter rubbish my friend. 

Agreed.

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when they said not to move a piece more than once, i think they meant not to move it unless you are forced to do so because you will lose that piece otherwise. it is not meant to be followed to the letter.

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This is very interesting, but what is black's objective in his king's moves? Is it to manually castle?

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For the OP, 

The Ruy Lopez is a great opening, especially for beginners. It is highly theoretically and seems to give white the slight ege like in the majority of opening positions for white with 1.e4.

However among this the Ruy Lopez is a very drawish opening, but still in master play people play it for wins still it has more draws than anything else in e4.  This is by experience of playing it and statistics as well. But the more you play an opening the better you will get at it, especially if you are just naturally good with it and want to stick with it.

But yeah play the opening and see what results you get, I am sure you won't be dissappointed as long as your learn the theory and gain the understanding and most importantly have fun with it!

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OK, thanks!

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@Susik_Gaboyan

True but the Scotch is not a move that I would like to play, against higher rated players, the theory is not that much and in some variation the Scotch is actually much worse to play. 

Perhaps you are masterful with it, so that is why you say it is an aggressive move and are commenting on it on the forums, but in my opinion the Ruy Lopez is much more of a masterful moves and much more a fun move in my opinion. But I do agree that the Scotch can be more aggressive opening at first but since the opening is very simple and is not favourable as it used to be in the Romantic Era of Chess I think that it is a secondary option or lesser for an opening unfortuantley so.