Mark's Opening

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1 d4 Nf6

2 Nc3 d5

3 Bf4

 There's a Chessopedia article on it for those unfamiliar with it.

 What do you think are the main strengths and weaknesses of it?

kga79217

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ForeverHoldYourPiece

That's just the beginning of a london system.

X_PLAYER_J_X
ForeverHoldYourPiece wrote:

That's just the beginning of a london system.

No its not he played 2.Nc3 

ForeverHoldYourPiece
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
ForeverHoldYourPiece wrote:

That's just the beginning of a london system.

No its not he played 2.Nc3 

Misread. That's just a line of the versov then. 

X_PLAYER_J_X

I do not believe there is an opening called Marks Opening? I believe you made this opening up.

There is an opening called the Queen Pawn Opening/Veresov Opening

However, It has the following moves

1. d4 Nf6

2. Nc3 d5

3. Bg5

The idea of the line was to have like a Queen Pawn, Ruy Lopez type of position. However, It isn't as effective as the normal Ruy Lopez which is seen in the Kings Pawn Opening.

The reason why is becuase in the Kings Pawn Opening after 3.Bb5 black can't play moves like f6 becuase his king will be open to checks.

In the Queens Pawn Opening after 3.Bg5 black can play moves like c6 just adding support to the pawn. His king isn't over there. So he has no big deal and its hard to add more pressure on the pawn.

Robert_New_Alekhine

Probably Jakovenko. Jobava plays 1.b3.

ForeverHoldYourPiece
Harry081106 wrote:
ForeverHoldYourPiece wrote:

That's just the beginning of a london system.

No,the london system is you place the knight on f3. you weirdo.

If you actually read more than your own messages, you'd see that I corrected myself. 

-BEES-

X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

I do not believe there is an opening called Marks Opening? I believe you made this opening up.

There is an opening called the Queen Pawn Opening/Veresov Opening

However, It has the following moves

1. d4 Nf6

2. Nc3 d5

3. Bg5

The idea of the line was to have like a Queen Pawn, Ruy Lopez type of position. However, It isn't as effective as the normal Ruy Lopez which is seen in the Kings Pawn Opening.

The reason why is becuase in the Kings Pawn Opening after 3.Bb5 black can't play moves like f6 becuase his king will be open to checks.

In the Queens Pawn Opening after 3.Bg5 black can play moves like c6 just adding support to the pawn. His king isn't over there. So he has no big deal and its hard to add more pressure on the pawn.

Bf4 instead of Bf5 has become 'trendy' if you could call it that, because it intends f3... threatening e4, and leaves the g-file unobstructed for g4-g5 sort of attacks. I don't know if this new line is better or worse than the old Richter Veresov, but it has some interesting ideas and it looks like a good surprise weapon. I think some strong players turned to the Veresov ecosystem for a surprise weapon because some of the other d4 sidelines are overplayed and lack surprise value now (like the tromp)

I_Am_Second
SaintMark wrote:

1 d4 Nf6

2 Nc3 d5

3 Bf4

 There's a Chessopedia article on it for those unfamiliar with it.

 What do you think are the main strengths and weaknesses of it?

Its the Indian Game (A45)

PeskyGnat

It's called the Jobava-Prie attack over at ChessPub
http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/8/index.htm#job 

X_PLAYER_J_X
PeskyGnat wrote:

It's called the Jobava-Prie attack over at ChessPub
http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/8/index.htm#job 

Yeah its a strange line. I couldn't find a database with a clear cut name to it.

-BEES-

PeskyGnat wrote:

It's called the Jobava-Prie attack over at ChessPub
http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/8/index.htm#job 

Good to know! Glad it has a name now.

SaintMark
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

I do not believe there is an opening called Marks Opening? I believe you made this opening up.

 

 Well, kind of. It was me who invented Mark's Opening.

DrSpudnik

After e6 White has little better than to play e4 and head to the French. Unless the whole point of the opening is to hope for a mistaken Nc6 and then after Nb5 hit the sore c7 square. That's a lot of hope for nothing.

SaintMark

 The grandmaster, Eric Hansen has said Mark's Opening is OK.

 With regards to the Veresov Attack, I think playing Bf4 on the 3rd move is better than Bg5 because it does more to control the centre.

DrSpudnik

2.c4 does even more to control the center.

X_PLAYER_J_X
SaintMark wrote:

 The grandmaster, Eric Hansen has said Mark's Opening is OK.

 With regards to the Veresov Attack, I think playing Bf4 on the 3rd move is better than Bg5 because it does more to control the centre.

It seems like you are to late someone already named the opening before you.

It's called the Jobava-Prie attack over at ChessPub

SaintMark
DrSpudnik wrote:

2.c4 does even more to control the center.

 Yes but then it's the Queens gambit, not Mark's Opening.

SaintMark
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
SaintMark wrote:

 The grandmaster, Eric Hansen has said Mark's Opening is OK.

 With regards to the Veresov Attack, I think playing Bf4 on the 3rd move is better than Bg5 because it does more to control the centre.

It seems like you are to late someone already named the opening before you.

It's called the Jobava-Prie attack over at ChessPub

 When did they name it that? Are you sure it was before me?