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macer75
macer75
May 1, 2014
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#21

Heal Sarragosa hurt Sicilian

ThrillerFan
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May 1, 2014
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#22
albatrosinus wrote:

Saragossa is fun. It can transpose easily to openings and (even more) to inverted colors openings

1. c3 c5 2. e4 - Sicilian, Alapin

1. c3 e5 2. c4 Nf6 ... - you get an inverted colors Sicilian! (and Sicilian is the best answer to e4, as they say!!!)

1. c3 d5 2. d3 e5 3. d4 - you get an inverted colors Caro-Kann!

1. c3 c5 2. c4 - Inverted colors Symmetrical English

1. c3 Nf6 2. c4 - You get some kind of inverted Réti. 2... e5 is an inverted Sicilian

1. c3 e5 2. e4 Nc6 3. Nf3 - this is the Ponziani

Playing 1.c3 and then 2.c4 is about as stupid as someone I know that, with his absolute love of the Latvian Gambit, once played, as White, 1.e4 e5 2.f3 Nf6 3.f4.

Something like 1.c3 c5 2.c4 is just moronic.  Why would you intentionally lose a tempo in a symmetrical position when it's been proven that symmetrical positions are a slight advantage for the player on the move, partially because you can't just continue to mimic for ever, you will eventually lose!

Jimmykay
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May 1, 2014
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#23
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wkratt4
wkratt4
May 1, 2014
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#24

Hurt the Blackmar-Diemer!

Heal the Caro-Kann!

albatrosinus
albatrosinus
May 1, 2014
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#25

Sorry can't take your vote in account macer and Jimmykay, since I have a lot of Sicilian variations.

albatrosinus
albatrosinus
May 1, 2014
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#26

wkratt4 and fenrissaga have been counted. Macer75 and Jimmykay must edit their posts.

Jimmykay
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May 1, 2014
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#27

sorry, did not notice that...hurt Saragossa heal Dragon Sicilian

albatrosinus
albatrosinus
May 1, 2014
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#28

ok.

albatrosinus
albatrosinus
May 1, 2014
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#29

Top 3 openings that are losing.

1. The Blackmar-Diemer -- 6/10

IDK... maybe some Queen's Pawn/Scandinavian players that are annoyed by it.

2. The Saragossa -- 6/10

Can understand it. 1. c3 loses the privilege of the 1st move.

3. The Dragon Sicilian -- 7/10

Hmmm... I voted against because I needed to vote against any Sicilian.

SacredMountain
SacredMountain
May 1, 2014
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#30

Heal Dunst, Hurt Anderssen

ThrillerFan
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May 1, 2014
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#31

Heal Modern (with e4), Hurt Benko Gambit

 

As for your 3 that you say are in the worst shape (add the Benko Gambit to that, now down to 6):

Blackmar-Diemer Gambit - I have 2 words for ya.  Utter Crap!  That's what the BDG is.  Any opening that is unsound when defended correctly, and strictly dependent upon lack of knowledge by Black is clearly "Utter Crap!"

Saragossa - Come on!  Talk about garbage!

Sicilian Dragon - Who cares about this line any more?  It's been figured out to a draw like checkers has been.

 

In my case, I can tell you that openings that I find unsound and pounce all the time from the opposite side are the ones I'm voting off.  If I voted openings off just based on "hating them" (which usually means you simply don't understand it, which in this case I don't), it would be the Najdorf Sicilian, but I'm instead hurting the ones that I personally find very unsound (similar to Fischer's opinion of the French).

Sheldor66
Sheldor66
May 1, 2014
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#32

heal caro-kann, hurt Ruy Lopez old Steinitz

albatrosinus
albatrosinus
May 1, 2014
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#33

updated sacredmountain and thrillerfan

albatrosinus
albatrosinus
May 1, 2014
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#34

updated sheldor66

TheGreatOogieBoogie
TheGreatOogieBoogie
May 1, 2014
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#35
ThrillerFan wrote:
albatrosinus wrote:

Saragossa is fun. It can transpose easily to openings and (even more) to inverted colors openings

1. c3 c5 2. e4 - Sicilian, Alapin

1. c3 e5 2. c4 Nf6 ... - you get an inverted colors Sicilian! (and Sicilian is the best answer to e4, as they say!!!)

1. c3 d5 2. d3 e5 3. d4 - you get an inverted colors Caro-Kann!

1. c3 c5 2. c4 - Inverted colors Symmetrical English

1. c3 Nf6 2. c4 - You get some kind of inverted Réti. 2... e5 is an inverted Sicilian

1. c3 e5 2. e4 Nc6 3. Nf3 - this is the Ponziani

Playing 1.c3 and then 2.c4 is about as stupid as someone I know that, with his absolute love of the Latvian Gambit, once played, as White, 1.e4 e5 2.f3 Nf6 3.f4.

Something like 1.c3 c5 2.c4 is just moronic.  Why would you intentionally lose a tempo in a symmetrical position when it's been proven that symmetrical positions are a slight advantage for the player on the move, partially because you can't just continue to mimic for ever, you will eventually lose!

It isn't as moronic as it seems at first glance.  Sure the symmetrical English as black isn't my cup of tea, but it's nevertheless very playable from the black side. 

The mimicking doesn't go on forever and the mainline Hedgehog strives to get some imbalances going:

Also heal English Hedgehog, hurt Danish Gambit. 

KingsKaleidoscope10
KingsKaleidoscope10
May 1, 2014
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#36

what about the classical KID?

anyway, heal e3 nimzo hurt colle

albatrosinus
albatrosinus
May 2, 2014
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#37

Classical KID = Orthodox KID no?

albatrosinus
albatrosinus
May 2, 2014
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#38

updated thegreatoogieboogie.

Not sure for KingOfStalemate.

albatrosinus
albatrosinus
May 2, 2014
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#39

Taking in consideration with e3 Nimzo

weese5
weese5
May 2, 2014
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#40

Hurt scot heal Benoni