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TheSampson
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

It's not played for just a draw. I play e4 as white and whenever i face the caro i feel like it's always black who is pressing from the middlegame to the endgame. The caro is an excellent weapon in the hands of a strong player. If u say the caro is overrated, then i am gonna say the Sicilian is overrated

Because I personally like the Sicilian? Or that you actually think it’s overrated? I said the Caro’s overrated for a reason, not just that “oh haha trash talker likes the caro”. Smh

TheSampson
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

And if u talk about space, then how does ur God damn fav najdorf have any space in the mainline except some pawns rolling on the side? The board from the d file is completely dominated by white in space.

(Then Bb7 and Rc8 is going to come)

you could argue the same against white, black has all the queenside space. In the Caro, black has some queenside space in that one advance line where white could play the Tal instead and shut down black’s queenside space advantage.

TheSampson
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

I have pretty similar results with both the caro and Sicilian, so i honestly feel it's just about personal liking and not just stats

Fair, I won’t argue with that

BILLY_AGAPITIDIS

The ones who say Caro Kann is overrated, probably never played it the correct way. Yes it might be not offer so many positions as the sicilians (which IMO is a good thing as you face positions you know more often). It's not played for a draw. It's played for a solid position where in almost all endgames black is better. The positions showed above are not optimal for black, you showed suboptimal play or lines that black has more practical options.

Go see some games of Firouzja, Howell, Kreymer and Navara and then tell me again Caro is overrated. Not to mention it's a perfect choice below 2000 rating, meaning for everyone in this forum.

AngryPuffer

its passive

its slow

white can enjoy a space and development advantage

its drawish (literally everyone knows that) even the books say it

TheSampson
BILLY_AGAPITIDIS wrote:

The ones who say Caro Kann is overrated, probably never played it the correct way. Yes it might be not offer so many positions as the sicilians (which IMO is a good thing as you face positions you know more often). It's not played for a draw. It's played for a solid position where in almost all endgames black is better. The positions showed above are not optimal for black, you showed suboptimal play or lines that black has more practical options.

Go see some games of Firouzja, Howell, Kreymer and Navara and then tell me again Caro is overrated. Not to mention it's a perfect choice below 2000 rating, meaning for everyone in this forum.

I showed the mainlines, don’t tell me the Carls-Botvinnik is better than the Bf5 advance

TheSampson
TheSampson wrote:
BILLY_AGAPITIDIS wrote:

The ones who say Caro Kann is overrated, probably never played it the correct way. Yes it might be not offer so many positions as the sicilians (which IMO is a good thing as you face positions you know more often). It's not played for a draw. It's played for a solid position where in almost all endgames black is better. The positions showed above are not optimal for black, you showed suboptimal play or lines that black has more practical options.

Go see some games of Firouzja, Howell, Kreymer and Navara and then tell me again Caro is overrated. Not to mention it's a perfect choice below 2000 rating, meaning for everyone in this forum.

I showed the mainlines, don’t tell me the Carls-Botvinnik is better than the Bf5 advance

Also, I’m not saying the Caro-Kann is bad, it’s definitely within the top 4 responses to 1. e4. I’ve used it before and got some good wins with it. I’m saying that people worship it and call it the undefeated best opening for black, which it’s not. If it weren’t for GothamChess’s Caro-Kann-worshipping cult, I might’ve kept my mouth shut.

BILLY_AGAPITIDIS

@TheSampson

First of all I'm not a gotham fan neither i said the caro is unbeatable. It's just not overrated. Secondly below 2000 the carls-botvinik is equal if not better choice as white rarely knows what they are doing. But even the Bf5 lines are fine for black. If black knows their staff neither the Tal or any other lines will crack him. Yes space is in favour of white but black has play. It's one thing to not like the positions and another to bash the opening (not you, others). After all we can't all enjoy same things 😁

sidespaghetti
The Bird’s Opening is severely underrated in my opinion. The only immediate threat that black can pose to white’s position is by playing From’s Gambit (1…e5), which isn’t even too dangerous since white can accept without too much trouble. It almost always becomes a Reversed Dutch and can transpose into a Stonewall Attack if white chooses (though 1.d4 would’ve been better in such an instance). Despite the kingside weakness, it’s quite solid and gives white some very good attacking chances right out of the gate.

It’s not nearly the best opening move but I think it should be a lot more popular than it currently is.
BILLY_AGAPITIDIS

@AngryPuffer

It's not drawish. We are talking about our level not gm level. There are literally positions where black long castle and attack white on the kingside. No book says the caro is drawish or boring( unless it's a book about another opening). Yes white has more space but sometimes it backfires. Caro is good.

TheSampson
BILLY_AGAPITIDIS wrote:

@AngryPuffer

It's not drawish. We are talking about our level not gm level. There are literally positions where black long castle and attack white on the kingside. No book says the caro is drawish or boring( unless it's a book about another opening). Yes white has more space but sometimes it backfires. Caro is good.

Yes, nobody said the Caro’s bad

ChevillesTimides

I love this gambit, It's a great variation for fried liver attacks player who face the Giuoco Piano. It's pretty effective on 3+0 player cause player hate those fried liver style move and they will try to avoid (they cant)i

and you can gain a solid 20sec on the clock . All the move i showed are book moves so you can play this very fast and tilt

opponents. This line is very forcing too. Be still careful cause against better player who dont panic they can use their space to counterplay your king.

But i believe that in intermédiate level this line can be amazing for white

ChevillesTimides

very underrated in my opinion

ChessChaney

Is that the bishop's opening, another name called caro ?

iceyww

Man why y’all hating on the caro

this position is common in my games and is very active. Or idk I’m only 900 lol

TheSampson
iceyww wrote:

Man why y’all hating on the caro

this position is common in my games and is very active. Or idk I’m only 900 lol

White has superior development and space, which is my point, but I’m not hating on the Caro, I’m simply stating that people are worshipping it and completely overrating it

TheSampson
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:

It's the Gotham subs who are doing it. In reality it's okay and not underrated or overrated.... it's actually getting a lot more popular

3 million Gotham subs are doing it

badger_song

Just because an opening is successful doesn't mean it's any good.

TheSampson
badger_song wrote:

Just because an opening is successful doesn't mean it's any good.

…your logic makes no sense at all, an opening can only be successful if it’s good

magipi

All openings are overrated. On chess.com's forums, at least half of the discussion is about openings, while hardly anyone ever talks about endgames or tactics or weak squares or anything like that. For 90% of players, openings are irrelevant.