Question about white opening advantage

Yes I understand that. However, from my knowledge you can not sit in their seat and play the game.

Which goes to show my basic point. A beginner has enough problems to worry about in their chess game and to add more confusion by showing the position from a completely different side of the board is a very jerk thing to do. I believe they are imbeciles when they do that.

ThrillerFan said the following statement "If the following two positions look different to you and you are incapable of properly assessing one of them but claim you can correctly assess the other, then you don't know jack about chess!"

This notion is completely dubious and incorrect. Just becuase a person can play a line from 1 side does not mean. He is entitled to be forced to learn and play it from the other side.

An to show how stupid this notion is I will give you an example.

Magnus was in a simul playing almost 10-20 games at once blindfolded.

Well ThrillerFan if you can't play 20 games blindfolded and win everyone than you don't know jack about chess!

Do you see how stupid that sounds.

The only reason a person would look at a position from the other side of the board would be to get a different prespective/ view point or to try and learn the line from the white side. Nothing more or Nothing less.

You should not be forced to play it from the other side. If you do not want too.

An people are trying to do this to beginners. Forcing a beginner to learn a black sided line from the white side. Don't you think they have enough on their plate already. An people want to be the imbeciles to add more obstacles. I'm disgusted. The beginner already has enough pressure and people want to kick them while they are already down just to feel good about themselves.

brilliant!

this is correct. both players may be blundering forward on every move but white gets an extra incorrectly handled move.

Nonsense. The higher the average rating, the more advantage white. Period. 

*gives everyone who said otherwise a weird look*

It's a funny one and I suspect it isn't all that simple.

When players are so weak that they blunder constantly, it shouldn't matter which colour a person has because the last blunder loses. As they get stronger, there should be more and more advantage to white up to a rating where, typically, players understand the white side better than the black. Then this white advantage should tail off as ratings continue to increase and knowledge of the black side increases to match that of the white side, until the ratios finally approximate to whatever advantage GMs typically have as white.

I was curious about this once and actually did some statistical analysis of some local tournaments. In my city there are local g/30 tournaments held every month with sections Open, U1800, U1400, etc, and the TD lists the colors for each round on the uscf reports, so it was easy to make an excel sheet of white vs. black stats

I did a quick look at 5 tournaments in the Open section (players between 1700 and 2300, with most in the 1900-2100 range), and over the course of about 200 games, White scored about 54%.  I don't know if the sample size is large enough, but it seems to indicate white still has an advantage at the good-amateur level.

For what its worth, I also looked at the U1000 sections, and black won like 55% of the time.

under 1000 black has the advantage?  I guess because many White players fall into the 2 move mate?

I am inclined to agree with Optimissed of UK's comments..at our levels his

comments are more in line with practical experiences and reality..

It seems that part of the white advantage at lower levels is due to fewer draws. Often, when you reach for the win from an equal or minus position, you leave yourself open to losing. Weak players such as myself always look for opponents weaknesses to attack but do not notice that attacking those weaknesses leaves our own weaknesses open. Black begins with a minus position so this is more likely to work against black.

well it's not true that the last blunder loses.

you could be 7 queens up, blunder away 6 of them and still win.

can you back up your figures with some hard factual data ?

it's a pity you can neither take a joke or recognize one.

guys pls dont argue. ramona-carbona was just suggesting an idea.

I don't use engine assistance.

You can ask staff to run my games through analysis if you wish.

Thanks for the hatred.

Can you now please find someone else to stalk ?

Ramona, you do come across as a bit of a troll, you know. If you were more pleasant, you wouldn't attract these comments. Try to make an effort and others will make an effort to be nice to you.

You seem to have a habit of accusing people of engine assistance. This is not proper according to chess.com

It's a pity u have no sense of humor and will be BANNED by me

If white plays the opening agressively, white should maintain a lead in development (at least for the first few moves), while black tries to catch up.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

The point is simple.

John Doe says "I understand the French Defense"

For that to be a true statement, he would need to be able to understand what White needs to do and what Black needs to do.  He may, by choice, only choose to play it from the Black side, and maybe he plays the English Opening as White, but for John Doe to be making a true statement of "I understand the French Defense", he must at least be CAPABLE of playing it from either side of the Board, Black or White.

If after 12 moves of Poisoned Pawn French he recognizes the position from the Black perspective, and maybe knows a couple of good moves from there out of memory, but then turns the board around and sees the position from White's perspective and has no earthly clue what is going on or what White's ideas are, then he does not know the French Defense.  He is able to parrot 12 moves from the White side.  He still doesn't actually understand what he is doing!

There's a major difference between the two.  I understand the Stonewall Dutch.  I understand the Najdorf Sicilian.  I understand the Classical King's Indian.  I can only parrot the Leningrad Dutch!