You really need to learn how to post a diagram sir. No one is going to take your post seriously if you won't make the effort to do so. Take a look at some of these threads to learn how:
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You really need to learn how to post a diagram sir. No one is going to take your post seriously if you won't make the effort to do so. Take a look at some of these threads to learn how:
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I just don't understand what's happening on the board.
9. h3? makes no sense for me at all, why not just play 9. d4?
11..Qc8? What's the idea behind it? Also I don't think 12. dxe5 is good for white, it releases the tension for nothing. Why not just play the typical Nf1-Ng3 instead?
A move like Bd6 obviously can't be good in that position, especially after putting it on e7 first.
The game was an engine game, and the engine didn't find anything wrong with the move. As a pet system to use on an occasion, with memorized variations and such, it will be useful. It isn't analyzed as much as the other Ruy Lopez variations.
These photos are from Andrew Greet's book "Play the Ruy Lopez". This is where i got my idea. The idea of it is the same as in this book, except it is played at a differant point in the opening. in my opinion, because it is played later, in a closed position, with less pressure, the move is less dubious than Bd6!? in the text. Like i said, my idea is for this to make your opening more flexible and less committal. There is no way to punish this move, and with best play should obtain at least a draw. The game above was an engine game, an i am still experimenting with this opening. Once new theory lines are created, the open game version of this, and the closed game version of this, it is my belief that this opening will become more playable, but like every variation in the "Spanish Torture", black must know exactly what he is doing.
^I like that opening too, great pet system.
Anyways, you can critisize me for reccommending to memorize variations, but I am talking about the candidate move variations. Also playing by general princples is good too, but if you play with general principles with my opening, it is going to be alot harder. If you are looking to adapt a pet system you want to use on an occasion, or tornament play, you MUST examine at least the candidate move variations and know all of the in's and out's within your desired opening. I am discussing this opening if you want to take your opponent out of the main lines and into uncommon ground. A position that they did not study. Then you will have an advantage because you know more about it, in term giving you a higher chance of winning.
^I like that opening too, great pet system.
Anyways, you can critisize me for reccommending to memorize variations, but I am talking about the candidate move variations. Also playing by general princples is good too, but if you play with general principles with my opening, it is going to be alot harder. If you are looking to adapt a pet system you want to use on an occasion, or tornament play, you MUST examine at least the candidate move variations and know all of the in's and out's within your desired opening. I a discussing this opening if you want to take your opponent out of the main lines and into uncommon ground. A position that they did not study. Then you will have an advantage because you know more about it, in term giving you a higher chance of winning.
I see what you are trying to do. You are trying to introduce the move 9...Bd6 with the black pieces instead of d6 in that engine game you showed previously.
However, What I will say is if we are talking about theory stand point. I believe the move 8.c3 by white was not as correct.
The reason why is becuase the move 8.c3 allows a line that black can play Known as the Marshall Attack. White players who play the Ruy Lopez specially GM level seek to avoid this line.It was created by the man in the photo you see below who is named Frank Marshall.
Their are 3 moves played at move 8 for white c3, a4, h3. I believe the c3 move is the weaknest of the 3 move's becuase it gives rise to the deadly Marshall Attack.
My advice for you would be if they play the move 8.c3 to play the Marshall Attack which is the move 8...d5!
However, the most common responses for white is not the move 8.c3 it is the move's 8.a4 and 8.h3
The move 8.a4 is known as the Anti-Marshall Attack which was made sololy against the Marshall Attack to avoid it.
My second advice for you here would be to play 8...b4 just keeping your pawn safe.
The move 8.h3 also helps to avoid the Marshall Attack becuase it does not disrupt the c3 square for the knight on b1. Its almost like a waiting move to avoid the Marshall Attack.
My third advice for you here would be if they play the move 8.h3 than you can give your line with new theory a try. The most common move here in response to 8.h3 is the move 8...Bb7 or d6 so your move 8...Bd6 might not be so bad here. An maybe you can even play 8...Bb7 after which most players play 9.d3 than you can try 9...Bd6 also another idea of playing your move.
This might be more favorable for you in this position.
I would not play it in the other positions though. That is just my thoughts on the matter.
If you think its a bad position, analyze it with an engine. It is flexable because if white plays d3, then you can maneuver your pieces in good positions, leave the knight on a5 behind the rook on a8 if white plays a4, and then after you activate your pieces, and keep the grip of the e5 pawn then you can move the bishop to either c5 or f8 depending on what you want to do and what your opponent does. It keeps the option of playing aggressively when you want to with Bc5 later, or solidly with Bf8 later. If you play d6, your bishop is either committed to c5 or f1 in certain positions. Likewise your pawn structure is committed. If white opens the position with d4, then exchanges in your favor will happen as in the example game. If you practice and engine game with my given position, you will see it is much harder for white to play d4. My game in particular shows that exchanges and equalization happens if white plays d4 immediatly.
If you think its a bad position, analyze it with an engine. It is flexable because if white plays d3, then you can maneuver your pieces in good positions, leave the knight on a5 behind the rook on a8 if white plays a4, and then after you activate your pieces, and keep the grip of the e5 pawn then you can move the bishop to either c5 or f8 depending on what you want to do and what your opponent does. It keeps the option of playing aggressively when you want to with Bc5 later, or solidly with Bf8 later. If you play d6, your bishop is either committed to c5 or f1 in certain positions. Likewise your pawn structure is committed. If white opens the position with d4, then exchanges in your favor will happen as in the example game. If you practice and engine game with my given position, you will see it is much harder for white to play d4. My game in particular shows that exchanges and equalization happens if white plays d4 immediatly.
What I am saying is your trying to play Bd6 when the position is closed so you can maneuver. I do like the idea of the move. However, I do not believe its favorable in all the different positions white can play. I believe if white plays 8.c3 he doesn't have to play d3 he can play d4.
Instead wait until white plays 8.h3 that way you can play moves like 8...Bb7 than he will play 9.d3 becuase his pawn is not yet on c3 he is unable to play d4 at that point.
or wait till white plays 8.h3 than play 8...Bd6
Some where in that position it seems ok to play Bd6.
X_PLAYER_J_X thanks for your advice, and you are right. The move i gave is more of an experiment, but a way to keep options open for its position. The marshall is the best way to play against the ruy lopez, and it is the one known variation that avoids the "Spanish Torture" (As the book "Understanding the Marshall Attack" by David Vigoreto says). I have ran into the anti- marshall, ive tried another gambit with Na5 (reccomended in Danderous Openings: Ruy Lopez) in response to a4, to take the light square bishop for the e5 pawn. Ive been tired of such openings, so that is another reason of why I decided to experiment with Bd6.
All of this analysis is useless. What moron is going to play 8...Bb7?
8...d5 (The Marshall Gambit) and 8...d6 (A direct transposition to the Closed Ruy) are LIGHT YEARS BETTER and played FAR MORE FREQUENTLY than 8...Bb7, and only after 8...d6 does 9.h3 make sense!
I would NEVER play 9.h3 if Black did something stupid like 8...Bb7.
X_PLAYER_J_X thanks for your advice, and you are right. The move i gave is more of an experiment, but a way to keep options open for its position. The marshall is the best way to play against the ruy lopez, and it is the one known variation that avoids the "Spanish Torture" (As the book "Understanding the Marshall Attack" by David Vigoreto says). I have ran into the anti- marshall, ive tried another gambit with Na5 (reccomended in Danderous Openings: Ruy Lopez) in response to a4, to take the light square bishop for the e5 pawn. Ive been tired of such openings, so that is another reason of why I decided to experiment with Bd6.
To be honest I like the idea of the move in the 8.h3 position. It seems nice becuase the position is more closed. The 8.h3 moves makes it impossible to play d4 at that point.
At least the move 8.c3 allow white the chance to play d4 becuase c3 helps however than you can play Marshall Attack. It keeps your options open and I believe you get good play from either position.
I kind of like the above move order now that I look at it.
But, the marshall attack option is alot better. I like it too.
You can't play the marshall attack against 8.h3 or a4 though that is the problem only against c3 I believe is the best way to go about it.
So that would mean your idea might hold true in the other 2 line's I personally don't like the idea in the a4 line though. I would consider it in the 8.h3 line
However, after 8.h3 Bb7 9.d3 black has 2 moves their d6 and d5
9...d5 seems to be rather equal In comparison to d6.
However maybe Bd6 is an improvement to d6 since the pawn has not yet moved.
So it is interesting idea their you could try 9...d5 as well or 9...Bd6 their to shake things up.
EDIT: When I mean 9...d5 is rather equal in comparison to d6. I do not mean that the both moves are scoring equal. It seems 9...d5 is superior to d6. However, In chess databases black seems to be scoring equal in percentage wise with the move 9...d5 in the 9...d6 percentage total white seems to win alot more
So maybe 9...Bd6 can be an improvement to 9...d6
However, Still unkown how it matches up to 9...d5. which seems to be giving equality from human stand point percentage wise
Hello readers, I have been interested in all of the Ruy Lopez theory, and have been interested in finding a flexible solution of defending the e5 pawn without creating too many weaknesses in the position. For example, at some point, in the Chigorin Variation, White may push his pawn to d5 at some point. I dont like the idea of giving him the option of closing the center. I would love to make exchanges as well. The opening i have discovered begins with play similar to this:
e4 e5
Nf3 Nc6
Bb5 a6
Ba4 Nf6
0-0 b5
Bb3 Be7
Re1 0-0
c3 Bb7
h3 Bd6 (the key move)
If it is unnamed, I will gladly patent this variation as "Ruy Lopez: Jeselson Variation". It is a little pet system, and it has its own theory behind it. The aim of it is to be Similar to the "Lasker Defence" with alot of flexability behind it. Exchanges are great, and if white doesnt exchange, there is some hope of Re8 (or Qe7, Rd8), Bf8, g6, and Bg7 without committing the d pawn to the defense of the e pawn. I desire the non-exchanged vatiation to be like a reverse Worrall Attack. It will allow you the flexability of playing d6, or d5 at some point. I have an example game with White Challenging black with d4, it demonstrates alot of the theory behind it. However, it doesnt mean white can play d3 and make the game more closed and strategic. The plus of white playing d3 is white doesnt get much of a space advantage. If white does play d4 it isnt much of a big deal, as seen in the game. Let me know what you all think, and if I can name this opening after myself. I havent found it when i searched it online. Im one of those people who wants to make a big contribution to chess and such. Want to have something that will let me live on after I die.
Nf3 Nc6
Bb5 a6
Ba4 Nf6
0-0 b5
Bb3 Be7
Re1 0-0
c3 Bb7
h3 Bd6
d4 h6
Nbd2 Qc8
dxe5 Nxe5
Nxe5 Bxe5
Nf3 d6
Nxe5 dxe5
f3 Rd8
Qc2 Qd7
Rd1 Qe7
Be3 Nh5
a4 Bc6
Rxd8+ Rxd8
axb5 axb5
Qc1 Ng3
Qe1 Nh5
Ra6 Be8
g3 Bd7
Kh2 Bc8
Ra7 Qd6
Qf1 Bd7
Qf2 Bc8
Qe2 Bd7
h4 Qc6
Qf2 Bc8
Bd5 Qd6
c4 bxc4
Bxc4 Rd7
Qe1 Rd8
Kg2 Qd7
Bf2 Nf6
Ra5 Qd6
b3 Re8
Qc3 Qd1
b4 Bh3+
Kh2
[44. Kxh3 Qh1#]
44. …Rd8
45. Ra2 Be6
46. Be2 Qb3
47. Qxb3 Bxb3
48. Rb2 Bd1
49. Bxd1 Rxd1
50. Ra2 Rd8
51. Kg2 Ne8
52. f4 Nd6
53. Kf3 f6
54. Rc2 Rd7
55. Rc5 Re7
56. f5 Rd7
57. g4 Ne8
58. Ke3 Rd4
59. b5 Nd6
60. Rxc7 Nxb5
61. Rc6 Ra4
62. Kd3 Ra3+
63. Kc4 Rf3
64. Be1 Re3
65. Bf2 Rf3
66. Be1 Re3
67. Bf2 Rf3
68. Be1
½- ½ 3-fold repitition