Scholar's mate defense? - Chess Forums - Page 2

binomine

Dec 15, 2022

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#21

Defaultedwastaken wrote:

binomine wrote:

Try the kiddie countergambit.

While the traditional defense is sound, it leads to a boring closed game. Also, play is pretty easy to figure out using opening principles. This is a way sharper game. You lose a pawn, but you have almost completed development while your opponent's queen is in the wrong side of the board.

You sound like your trying to promote a product.

The kiddie contergambit simply just loses a pawn without much developmental compensation.

White is already down a tempo just by playing this attack, and has to burn more tempi getting the queen to safety. Black has a semi-open file to play with, a king that can castle, and his opponent's king that isn't going anywhere yet.

Stockfish rates it lower than the traditional response, however, it is significantly more tricky for white to play this position than the traditional defense. I think it is a perfectly acceptable alternative for a lower rated player, especially if they are unsatisfied with the traditional game.

nighteyes1234

Dec 15, 2022

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#22

binomine wrote:

I think it is a perfectly acceptable alternative for a lower rated player, especially if they are unsatisfied with the traditional game.

Yes....the educational teaching is that there are three ways to deal with a move. Accept,decline,and counteratttack. You dont get any pts for any move regardless but with the educational perspective get the long run.

When people act smart, they are dumb. We know why they know how to defend...its because they got whooped and are looking for tricks & traps(forever). Kiddie countergambit is not afraid of q&b, unlike Nc6. Its not afraid of losing.

So its a great move.

d6 is better...but thats beyond this forum.

gigachadleb

Dec 15, 2022

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#23

binomine wrote:

Defaultedwastaken wrote:

binomine wrote:

Try the kiddie countergambit.

While the traditional defense is sound, it leads to a boring closed game. Also, play is pretty easy to figure out using opening principles. This is a way sharper game. You lose a pawn, but you have almost completed development while your opponent's queen is in the wrong side of the board.

You sound like your trying to promote a product.

The kiddie contergambit simply just loses a pawn without much developmental compensation.

White is already down a tempo just by playing this attack, and has to burn more tempi getting the queen to safety. Black has a semi-open file to play with, a king that can castle, and his opponent's king that isn't going anywhere yet.

Stockfish rates it lower than the traditional response, however, it is significantly more tricky for white to play this position than the traditional defense. I think it is a perfectly acceptable alternative for a lower rated player, especially if they are unsatisfied with the traditional game.

I second this. I'm not looking for some groundbreaking theory to shatter the chess world with, simply a sound alternative for the OP to look into. You can bring your queen out early in this situation because it actually does something, defending mate in this case and it can't really be kicked around. There's nothing wrong with offering a queen trade on move 6, because it's one of the top engine moves in most variations of that line, the engine suggests it at certain points in most lines.

Sadlone

Dec 15, 2022

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#24

Stop playing e5 and play the French e6 on first move , no more scholars mate

gigachadleb

Dec 15, 2022

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#25

Defaultedwastaken wrote:

binomine wrote:

Try the kiddie countergambit.

While the traditional defense is sound, it leads to a boring closed game. Also, play is pretty easy to figure out using opening principles. This is a way sharper game. You lose a pawn, but you have almost completed development while your opponent's queen is in the wrong side of the board.

You sound like your trying to promote a product.

The kiddie contergambit simply just loses a pawn without much developmental compensation.

the mainline also has development.

-Nc6 is used to develop the knight and protect pawn.

-g6 is giving way to devlop the bishop to g6

-nf6 develops AND defends mate

even better, your not down a pawn.

the whole point of this thread was finding an alternate line...

ThrillerFan

Dec 16, 2022

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#26

The best answer is to study Endgames, Strategy, and Tactics, and be a better chess player. Then you won't get this idiotic play by White. You will actually face legitimate lines.

When I was an e4 player, I played the Slow Italian, but you'd also get the regular Italian, the Ruy Lopez, the Scotch, the Four Knights, and then occasionally you might get the Vienna, Bishop's Opening, or King's Gambit, but garbage like attempts at the Scholar's Mate would go away.

As others have mentioned, other openings are another option, like I play the French myself, but why change openings just because of something stupid like this? If you are happy with Black's position against the Ruy, Italian, Scotch, etc, do not change your opening. Instead, learn how to be a better chess player, and that is not through studying opening theory all day!

gigachadleb

Dec 16, 2022

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#27

ThrillerFan wrote:

The best answer is to study Endgames, Strategy, and Tactics, and be a better chess player. Then you won't get this idiotic play by White. You will actually face legitimate lines.

When I was an e4 player, I played the Slow Italian, but you'd also get the regular Italian, the Ruy Lopez, the Scotch, the Four Knights, and then occasionally you might get the Vienna, Bishop's Opening, or King's Gambit, but garbage like attempts at the Scholar's Mate would go away.

As others have mentioned, other openings are another option, like I play the French myself, but why change openings just because of something stupid like this? If you are happy with Black's position against the Ruy, Italian, Scotch, etc, do not change your opening. Instead, learn how to be a better chess player, and that is not through studying opening theory all day!

That is true, I agree with the statement that as you progress in your chess skill, one trick pony openings like the wayward queen etc etc decrease a TON. Because people realise it's not playing for any lasting advantage, just playing for tricks no one falls for anymore. The OP was looking for an alternative line though, not someone saying "just get better at chess lol"

XD

I do see your point and agree with it however.

ThrillerFan

Dec 16, 2022

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#28

gigachadleb wrote:

ThrillerFan wrote:

The best answer is to study Endgames, Strategy, and Tactics, and be a better chess player. Then you won't get this idiotic play by White. You will actually face legitimate lines.

When I was an e4 player, I played the Slow Italian, but you'd also get the regular Italian, the Ruy Lopez, the Scotch, the Four Knights, and then occasionally you might get the Vienna, Bishop's Opening, or King's Gambit, but garbage like attempts at the Scholar's Mate would go away.

As others have mentioned, other openings are another option, like I play the French myself, but why change openings just because of something stupid like this? If you are happy with Black's position against the Ruy, Italian, Scotch, etc, do not change your opening. Instead, learn how to be a better chess player, and that is not through studying opening theory all day!

That is true, I agree with the statement that as you progress in your chess skill, one trick pony openings like the wayward queen etc etc decrease a TON. Because people realise it's not playing for any lasting advantage, just playing for tricks no one falls for anymore. The OP was looking for an alternative line though, not someone saying "just get better at chess lol"

XD

I do see your point and agree with it however.

I know that is what he said, but the correct solution is just to stick with that best defense for now, and the way to decease having to deal with it is to improve the rest of your game.

In other words, he is looking for a perfume to spray on his girlfriend because she smells. What I am saying is look in better neighborhoods for better women rather than trying to find a band-aid for something you shouldn't be dwelling on.

Sure this girl may pop up every now and then, but as your dating gets better, she will go away.

Hope you get the analogy. Studying middle game and Endgame will drive you in the direction of the nice women. This is what you want, not some band-aid for this ghetto girl that smells! That Queen on h5? She stinks! LOL!