wanna play a game with this owen line? i will play it as black. It wont be definite but may prove illuminating. I know you are pretty strong Thriller
What is your definintion of "strong"!? 1800 something FIDE is most certainly not strong.
Our daughter was born 2010 and her behavior and level of laziness is horrible! Kids these days along with those in their 20s do not know what hard work really is!
That probably has more to do with the parents than the generation.
isnt thriller like 2100?
I have not performed well lately in FIDE rated events, so it has dropped. USCF is 2059 (had dipped as low as 1996 during that horrible slump last spring.) I figure to be back over 2100 maybe 6 months to a year after tournaments start up again.
millenials will rule the world old man. Gen X will refuse to adapt and be stuck in the homes, while Millenials will be the first ageless generation and become the new rich boomers due to all that compound interest that comes with being 150 years old in good health
Bird Opening is the sharpest.
millenials will rule the world old man. Gen X will refuse to adapt and be stuck in the homes, while Millenials will be the first ageless generation and become the new rich boomers due to all that compound interest that comes with being 150 years old in good health
And then reality will sink in to you because it has been reported multiple times that the average life span for millenials will be shorter than the average life span for Gen X, and that it will be the first generation in centuries not to outlive their predecessors. Sure, Gen X will die before Millenials do as they are 10 to 30 years older, but if I am 45, and you are 25, and we both live to be the exact average life span of our generation, while I may be 20 years older than you, I'll likely die more like 17 to 18 years before you!
Our daughter was born 2010 and her behavior and level of laziness is horrible! Kids these days along with those in their 20s do not know what hard work really is!
That probably has more to do with the parents than the generation.
Try again! She's one of the best behaved in her class (yes, I said ill-behaved in one breath and best-behaved in the next - the latter is relative to the rest of the 4th graders in her school - the former is an assessment) - most of the other kids are even worse!
My wife is also a teacher, and so she sees first hand the behavior of kids in schools!
The digital generation is lazy and ill-behaved, plain and simple! Yes, there may be that one kid here and one kid there that is just the greatest, most well behaved tween, but the "norm" as far as standards for a tween in 2020 is light years lower than the standards in the mid-80s.
@ThrillerFan - Yes, your opponent played e6 before you played d5, but he didn't have a c-pawn anymore, which changes the positional implications completely. You've never seen a proper Owen Defense, that much is obvious. Folks don't like sharp openings in GM circles, so they don't play it enough to develop any theory on it.
HOWEVER, it is easy enough to apply hypermodern principles to the opening. Applying those principles will leave d4 weak for white. This happens every time I play the Owen, regardless of who I play it against. 1. ..b6?! is only suspect because white doesn't have to play 2. d4, and the queenside fianchetto isn't useful until white does, at which point in time black needs both his c- and d-pawns to not be advanced in order to properly restrain the center.
Also, laziness is not unique to the youngest today. I'm almost as old as you (I had to get up to change the channel until I was about 12), and many of the kids I went to school with were just as lazy as those around today. The big issue is that education today teaches kids to rely on technology rather than their own intellect, but that was already starting to take root when I was in high school. If you get out of the habit of thinking, it's very difficult to start thinking again.
@ThrillerFan - Yes, your opponent played e6 before you played d5, but he didn't have a c-pawn anymore, which changes the positional implications completely. You've never seen a proper Owen Defense, that much is obvious. Folks don't like sharp openings in GM circles, so they don't play it enough to develop any theory on it.
HOWEVER, it is easy enough to apply hypermodern principles to the opening. Applying those principles will leave d4 weak for white. This happens every time I play the Owen, regardless of who I play it against. 1. ..b6?! is only suspect because white doesn't have to play 2. d4, and the queenside fianchetto isn't useful until white does, at which point in time black needs both his c- and d-pawns to not be advanced in order to properly restrain the center.
Also, laziness is not unique to the youngest today. I'm almost as old as you (I had to get up to change the channel until I was about 12), and many of the kids I went to school with were just as lazy as those around today. The big issue is that education today teaches kids to rely on technology rather than their own intellect, but that was already starting to take root when I was in high school. If you get out of the habit of thinking, it's very difficult to start thinking again.
But yet you and him claim to hold the c-pawn back. You hold the c-pawn back, and d4 won't be weak unless c2-c4 is played, and I mentioned one of the 2 rules of thumb for White is don't ever play c4 or f3 during the opening phase of the game if b6 is played before c4.
So how are you weakening d4 if you hold the c-pawn back? I'm a French player myself. If you play ...d5, sure, it fixes my pawn on d4, but supported by c3 (I did mention that I don't play Nc3 early - I go with the Bd3 lines, usually involving an early Qe2 to overprotect e4, Knight goes to f3 to protect d4 along with c3 if any pressure is played on d4. If no pressure is ever placed there and Black is going full fledge for e4, and a d5 push by White may be possible, only then is Nc3 played, like if ...c5 can be answered by d5.
So no, I still don't see how you can claim this idea that White has committed to d4 does you anything. My argument is that c4 weakens a5-e1 which in turn weakens the e4-pawn, and with f3 being out of the question due to tactics (at least until White castles, then f3 is ok), e4 is the problem spot, not d4.
As far as laziness, the biggest problem is that today in schools (at least in North Carolina Schools), many school systems don't allow for grades below a 50. A 50 is still an F, but if I don't give 2 hoots about my grades other than the fact that I pass, and I have an 80, and there is one project I really just don't want to do, I won't do it because I'll still get a 50. That attitude is a major issue in today's kids. Back when I was in high school, and I presume when you were too, you don't do something, you get a big, fat, ugly ZERO!
Right now, they announced kids will not go back due to the pandemic for the rest of the school year. You would think they would require some form of virtual work, right? NOPE! They did nothing but review packets for 4 weeks, which was strictly voluntary, and the teachers are teaching virtually Mon, Tue, Thu, and Fri for the next 3 weeks, but even that is strictly voluntary. We are making our daughter attend and do the work, but basically, the only ones that have to do it are those that need a 4th quarter grade to up their average above an F. Otherwise, they are getting the following 3 options:
1) Use their first 3 quarters as their grade and factor into their GPA (like the classes you have A's and B's in)
2) Use their first 3 quarters as a "pass/fail" if they are passing but don't want to factor it into their GPA
3) Take a No-Grade as if they never took the class. This would be for all the F's.
What type of hogwash is that? Hey, I have an A, so I'll goof off from mid-March to late-August, or "Hey, I have a D, I don't care, I'll just take a "Pass" and get credit for the course and not factor it into my GPA!
It encourages even further laziness. Public schools suck these days!
I learnt MORE in 2 years of private schooling than the 11 of public including kindergarten.
I can believe it! There are bad private schools but there are really good ones as well. It is hit or miss. Like of the 6 that I am aware of in Charlotte, NC (I know there are others but these are the 6 that I know the reputation of and/or certain current or former staff members):
Providence Day - Excellent
Charlotte Latin - Excellent
Country Day - Eh
Charlotte Christian - Blows
Those are all K-12. Grade Specific?
Charlotte Catholic High - Not Great
Palisades (K-8) - Blows
Granted that is better than public schools in NC or SC where the best of public schools suck!
And I have never said "It's garbage bruh". What the hell is "bruh" anyway? Are you trying to say "bro" and just sound stupid?
I don't speak any of the digital generation snapchat slang or millenial talk or ebonics. I speak American English!
XD means laugh out loud...
I don't speak any of the digital generation snapchat slang or millenial talk or ebonics. I speak American English!
Jawn, you’d be high-key on fleek, though, if you did.
Looks like me and thriller fans play the same openings as black; I play the french as black; and he showed me some lines of the KID; so now I play the Kid more often and the line that he assesses as the main one; that I didn t know before; give you credit for it.
But I don t know what do you mean by sharp opening
millenials will rule the world old man. Gen X will refuse to adapt and be stuck in the homes, while Millenials will be the first ageless generation and become the new rich boomers due to all that compound interest that comes with being 150 years old in good health
And then reality will sink in to you because it has been reported multiple times that the average life span for millenials will be shorter than the average life span for Gen X, and that it will be the first generation in centuries not to outlive their predecessors. Sure, Gen X will die before Millenials do as they are 10 to 30 years older, but if I am 45, and you are 25, and we both live to be the exact average life span of our generation, while I may be 20 years older than you, I'll likely die more like 17 to 18 years before you!
this is based on linear population models (with added projection from modern illnesses), that assume lifespan will only increase modestly, while completly ignoring biotech breakthroughs.
you really think regenerative medicine and bioengineering will be same now as 40 years from now when millenials are near retirement age?
Bird Opening is the sharpest.
And I have never said "It's garbage bruh". What the hell is "bruh" anyway? Are you trying to say "bro" and just sound stupid?
I don't speak any of the digital generation snapchat slang or millenial talk or ebonics. I speak American English!
so, not english XD
What the hell is XD? "Xtreme-Def"? Like High-Definition TVs?
I just looked up XD and it is the acronym for Transvestite or "Cross Dresser".
Uhm, NO!, I do not talk dirty to other men that are cross-dressed as women. You go enjoy your own life. Guess you are pretty Dark and Unorthodox!
I am the wrong person if you are looking for a "bruh".
You are too old for the internet bro.
its a laughing face... somone closes their eyes (the X) while laughing (the D)
What the bleep?
What ever happened to:
LOL
ROFL
ROFLMAO
:-D - Laugh
;-D - Laugh and Wink
:-) - Smile or Smirk
:-P - Tongue stuck out at you
Etc
Even when you close your eyes, they look nothing like an X.
you must be really really REALLY old.i think i was using XD when i was in high school a decade ago
High school a decade ago? You are a youngster! Millenial! I am not a millenial! I am Gen X (1961-1978), and will be 45 in 11 days. High school for me was 1989 to 1993! You were probably in diapers when I graduated! Email and the Internet were all the rage when I was in college. We did not have remote control TVs until I was about 8 to 10 and even then, the remote had a cord!
We do not get spoon fed and expect everything to be handed to us on a silver platter like Millenials and the Digital Generation. Our daughter was born 2010 and her behavior and level of laziness is horrible! Kids these days along with those in their 20s do not know what hard work really is!
*Cough, cough* Juvenoia *Cough*
You should pick up Christian Bauer's book on b6 to learn how to properly play most of these French Owen lines, because "its garbage bruh" is not gotta cut it here. Show a line you think is terrible for black. The worst i have seen from these lines is that black takes a little longer to equalize than with other black defenses, but black is going for a total clamp, of course equalizing take a bit longer to dissolve first move advantage
But b6 is NOT a sharp opening. Its highly positional in style and favors those that like cramped positional manuevering and long delayed pawn thrusts and breaks.
Uhm, I own that book!
From your first post, the Knight is not better on e3 in the French except in the closed Tarrasch. Notice in my latest post, I delay Nc3 vs c3 until Black commits. White gets a favorable advance French, a line which the Knight does go to f3!
That Bauer book is full of White wins and non-white wins with huge errors by White. White plays "correct" and Black is in huge trouble. Black does horrible in the 1.d4 b6 2.c4 e6 3.a3 lines except where Black abandons English defense strategy and goes for the hedgehog. The Owen's games don't show the reality of the problem. I have yet to see a Bauer book impress me at all. I put him in the same category as Tim Taylor (not quite as low as Schiller).
Show me a line that terrifies you for black. Bauer's book is pretty good but not complete, Lakdawala covers some of the omissions but not all. 4.a3 is your big concern? a line that just transposes to a mainstream petrosian QID? black can play 4.f5 but i prefer the former.
not true. The lines that most closely resemble the french owen are some lines in the french where black plays early b6 to get rid of the problem bishop, where the critical line is ne2!, the knight on f3 blocks the necessary counterplay thats often vital later via f4-f5. Qe2 is the preferred square because white doesnt have to commit a knight or the f pawn too early,but it also enables ba6 to snatch the bishop since bd3-qe2-r on f1 after 0-0 are lined up.
Let's see. You claim e6 must be played. Therefore, Game 15, 15.Bxb3 cxb3 16.f5 exf5 17.Qxf5 d5 18.e5 f6 and now not only is 19.e6 better for White, which he claims unclear (page 40 column 2 near the top), but 19.Nxb3 fxe5 20.Qe6+ Kh8 21.Be3 is also clearly better for White in all lines. For example, 21...Bd6 22.dxe5 Bxe5 and both 23.h3 and 23.Qh3 are +/- (Above .7, below 1.4, by computer assessment).
Notice White follows everything I said. Delay c3 vs Nc3 until determined what Black is doing. No f3. Clear Advantage White!
1. this is not the french Owen's! this is the classical Miles variation, which is an entirely different animal. They are some not so obvious lines that a well prepared player (really booked) can give black some trouble, but it is by no means an obvious advantage by playing obvious moves,nor are they even convincing refutations.
2. Houdini 11 at depth 35 finds 16. f5 to be... 0.00 after exf5 17qxf5 bd6. Showing me one line on move 19 where Bauer made a boo-boo is not a fair critique if dont even bother to show black's antidote. Blacks bishop pair and control of the light squares compensates quite well for the loss of the b3 pawn.