The Fred Defense

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x_Im_tc

By sound, I mean can be played with success against any strength of player.  An unsound opening can be exploited by a strong player to his or her insurmountable advantage.

 

In order to suggest that the opening is unsound, therefore, you need to be able to show where white could make a move that would "automatically" result in some insurmountable advantage.  Neither Chessmaster nor Rybka, who on a fast computer are better players than you or I (or any other living person on earth) could find one.  Indeed, I was able to draw Rybka at three different points, and asked Chessmaster for help only at 23 Nxg4 (it saw the sacrifice), which put the opening over the top and secured the win.

 

So, I ask you, where was the opening unsound?  Where could white have done better?  I was recently trounced by this opening, and must admit, I don't see a good defense against it.  Playing it against the computer as white, I can't win from 5. Nf6.  Black has too many ways to chase the queen around the board to ever recapture momentum.  This is a very fast opening for black with lots of ways to keep the game under control.

 

pfren

Well... you are either completely dumb, or you pretend being such pretty succesfully.

As I have previously explained, after 1.e4 f5? 2.ef5 Kf7? 3.Bc4+ Black can resign, already (two pawns down for less than nothing).

Houdini evaluation: +2.35, which hints at an, errr, small white advantage. Get it now, or not?

blumzovich
x_Im_tc wrote:

By sound, I mean can be played with success against any strength of player.  An unsound opening can be exploited by a strong player to his or her insurmountable advantage.

 

In order to suggest that the opening is unsound, therefore, you need to be able to show where white could make a move that would "automatically" result in some insurmountable advantage.  Neither Chessmaster nor Rybka, who on a fast computer are better players than you or I (or any other living person on earth) could find one.  Indeed, I was able to draw Rybka at three different points, and asked Chessmaster for help only at 23 Nxg4 (it saw the sacrifice), which put the opening over the top and secured the win.

 

So, I ask you, where was the opening unsound?  Where could white have done better?  I was recently trounced by this opening, and must admit, I don't see a good defense against it.  Playing it against the computer as white, I can't win from 5. Nf6.  Black has too many ways to chase the queen around the board to ever recapture momentum.  This is a very fast opening for black with lots of ways to keep the game under control.

 

Don't feed this troll

shangoyal

Crazy stuff

lolurspammed

The only opening that loses on move 1. Quality stuff.

5-cell
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Apotek

Never knew Freddie played chess,let alone had an opening to his name..Well,what do you know...

5-cell

3. Bc4+ is much better than 3. Qh5 because it leads to a positional advantage. 3. Qh5 is dangerous for the white queen. 


5-cell
Reverse_Justice wrote:
Frankly I do not now why people are so against playing this opening, I've actually had far more success against 1.e4 with 1....f5 than any other opening, especially 1....e5. This may just be becuase I hate kings opening for black in everyway, white overall has better chances with the standard king pawn game and so many ways to easily take control of the game, with 1...f5 not only will white likely not know how to counter it, but even if they do there are so many ways to take an advantage. After 2.exf5, 2....Nf6 is the best reply. It is a good opening to try out, but it is true black will almost always lose the match if he does not know how to play the Fred Defence correctly, but when practiced this opening can be a deadly counter to 1. e4.

There are much better ways to respond to 1. e4:

1... e5, but you don't like it, so:

1... c5 this is the Sicilian defense. A very, very, very good reply to 1. e4.

1... e6 and 1... c6 are also good replies. Here's why 1... f5 sucks:





5-cell

I've actually had a win with the Mao Tse Tung attack. Possibly because it was a 3-minute game for each player. Time was crucial, and in the end, my opponent lost time, even though Anon. could have won. This opening sucks, however, in blitz games it can be very fun to play.

A win with the fred defense accepted! (I hate this opening, though.)


5-cell

Normally I don't have to worry about 1. e4 f5 because no one ever played it against me. I have, however, played it myself, and I almost always win with it, not because it's good (it's actually horrible), but because White makes plenty of mistakes.

lolurspammed

Making the worst move on the board to get out of opening theory is a really bad attitude to bs d when playing chess. Most people who play crap like this don't understand why they play it, but instead play it because their opponent probably hasn't seen it. Honestly if someone played that against me in any tournament game I would feel disrespected!

5-cell

Here's another win by me:

 
UPDATE: 22... Bxh2+ was better; 23. Kh1 Be5+ 24. Kg1 Qh2+ 25. Kf1 Bxd4.
5-cell

The king's gambit and the Latvian gambit are great, but the Fred defense/Duras gambit isn't so good, possible due to the fact that Black has not pushed a center pawn.

tmkroll

Off topic but the Latvian Gambit is also bad... not this bad, but pretty bad.

lolurspammed

The Latvian gambit is not too hard to refute on the board in a longer time control game

PhantomCapablanca

This isn't an opening. It's an instant L. 

5-cell

The Latvian gambit can draw, and it's actually not a gambit because Black will be able to get the pawn back either way.

lolurspammed

Are you sure about that?

5-cell

Okay, guys. The Latvian gambit is fine, but the fred defense sucks like hell.