Well,than ithink that after d4 d5 nc3 now, the best is cosidered nf6 so, you play bf4,yes? Then, my idea is to play c5.it is considered that it is Good to play c5 in the openings there c4 isnt played. So,if nb5 than qa5 + and if dc5 than e6 and black gets the pawn back. Anything i missed/any thoughts?
You're wrong but this crap doesnt matter anyways because noone would ever be in this position, we are talking 21 moves deep, that has to do with skill, not the opening. In conclusion, this arguement doesnt matter because a skilled player who had that position from the qsfl would have won easily. You are dumb.
im not sure but i think e6 reganis the pawn with an active position.example:4...e6 b4(how else white can hold up to the pawn?İ think it is better to develop your pieces.nf3 is good,maybe even f3!? looking towards to push e4)a5 and black gets the pawn back.
Also i learned that 2.nc3 is called veresov variation,that it aims to play e4 and after e4 is pushed it may be similar or even can transpose into an e4 opening!
Also, shepi after ra8 rc1 saves passed pawn and white can easily promote you dummy.
Whatupyodog: There are multiple ways that white can win a pawn after Rc1, and you are obviously not very good. Any player with half a knowledge of chess endings should know that rook endings with a 1 pawn imbalance are usually drawn. Even if it is a win it is extremely difficult for white to win this position you dummy. And you obviously can't calculate either - On Rc1 Bb2 Rc2 Rxa2 Bc1 attempting to pin Ra1 and black actually wins. On Rc1 Bb2 Rc2 Rxa2 Bd4 Ra1 Black wins as well. So I don't understand your dumb and insulting way of thinking.
Nachtwolf, you are obviously not very good, after na6 no white player who isnt absolute garbage would play nf3, and after a move such as e3 instead, whites position is superior. So, this opening remains unrefuted.
whatupyodog, calling people dumb just because they dissagree with you is not a sign of intelligence, and may be the reason why extraterrestrials avoid this planet. Back to Earth only matters, it was a possible, not probbable middle game, but Black successfully beat back the white attempts at a fork, gained better development, and castled to safety while white floundered about in the hopes of cripling black with the Moronic threat of an early fork that is supposedly undefendable. in addition you have failed to provide a continuation that apears winning for white at the end of the opening, and you have also failed to provide a deviation, so I would not be calling anyone dumb until you provide those and they have been analysed by more than just you.
jetfighter, you pulling a 20 move midgame out of your butt doesn't refute this opening. We never said the fork is undefendable, but the point is black's position suffers whilst defending the fork. The midgame you provided is irrelevant, and has nothing to do with the opening.
Nachtwulf, 4. b4 , still unrefuted. Also jetfighter, i am completely disregarding you, you make no point and just played against yourself to try to bash this opening.
Nxd3 followed by e6, Bd6 (or Be7 or Bb4), and castles, and black has at least equalized The_Gavinator, which is not what white is looking for out of the opening.
Nachtwulf, 4. b4 , still unrefuted. Also jetfighter, i am completely disregarding you, you make no point and just played against yourself to try to bash this opening.
Although it may seem that I can pull lines out of thin air and make some nonsense up, some of these ideas were actually taken from the practitioners of this opening (or rather, the opponents' thereof). I merely spent a little time tweaking the moves of both sides, and was actually ran the results through an engine as well.
P.S. 4. b4 is met by 4. ...cxd4 5. Qxd4 Nc6.
Edit: My bad, I thought the latter comment was directed at me.
You know, that anyone could possibly think that is good makes me laugh. Black has easy equality or advantage. cxb4 wins a pawn. cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 gains tempo. And c4 gets a protected passed pawn. Every possible move is good for black. lol.
nacht, white playing 6 Nc3 is a dummy move. He would play Na3, however a good white player wouldn't put himself in that position anyways.
then rc2 and white wins easily
then Rxa2 and the position is a draw
Well,than ithink that after d4 d5 nc3 now, the best is cosidered nf6 so, you play bf4,yes? Then, my idea is to play c5.it is considered that it is Good to play c5 in the openings there c4 isnt played. So,if nb5 than qa5 + and if dc5 than e6 and black gets the pawn back. Anything i missed/any thoughts?
I see where you're going, how would you continue if dxc5?
You're wrong but this crap doesnt matter anyways because noone would ever be in this position, we are talking 21 moves deep, that has to do with skill, not the opening. In conclusion, this arguement doesnt matter because a skilled player who had that position from the qsfl would have won easily. You are dumb.
gravinator,
im not sure but i think e6 reganis the pawn with an active position.example:4...e6 b4(how else white can hold up to the pawn?İ think it is better to develop your pieces.nf3 is good,maybe even f3!? looking towards to push e4)a5 and black gets the pawn back.
Also i learned that 2.nc3 is called veresov variation,that it aims to play e4 and after e4 is pushed it may be similar or even can transpose into an e4 opening!
Also, shepi after ra8 rc1 saves passed pawn and white can easily promote you dummy.
nacht, white playing 6 Nc3 is a dummy move. He would play Na3, however a good white player wouldn't put himself in that position anyways.
So what would this "good white player" play instead?
Nachtwolf, you are obviously not very good, after na6 no white player who isnt absolute garbage would play nf3, and after a move such as e3 instead, whites position is superior. So, this opening remains unrefuted.
Another reasonable response:
whatupyodog, calling people dumb just because they dissagree with you is not a sign of intelligence, and may be the reason why extraterrestrials avoid this planet. Back to Earth only matters, it was a possible, not probbable middle game, but Black successfully beat back the white attempts at a fork, gained better development, and castled to safety while white floundered about in the hopes of cripling black with the Moronic threat of an early fork that is supposedly undefendable. in addition you have failed to provide a continuation that apears winning for white at the end of the opening, and you have also failed to provide a deviation, so I would not be calling anyone dumb until you provide those and they have been analysed by more than just you.
jetfighter, you pulling a 20 move midgame out of your butt doesn't refute this opening. We never said the fork is undefendable, but the point is black's position suffers whilst defending the fork. The midgame you provided is irrelevant, and has nothing to do with the opening.
Nachtwulf, 4. b4 , still unrefuted. Also jetfighter, i am completely disregarding you, you make no point and just played against yourself to try to bash this opening.
nachtwulf, here you go
Nxd3 followed by e6, Bd6 (or Be7 or Bb4), and castles, and black has at least equalized The_Gavinator, which is not what white is looking for out of the opening.
And I would almost always meet Bf4 with c5 anyways.
Nachtwulf, 4. b4 , still unrefuted. Also jetfighter, i am completely disregarding you, you make no point and just played against yourself to try to bash this opening.
Although it may seem that I can pull lines out of thin air and make some nonsense up, some of these ideas were actually taken from the practitioners of this opening![Wink]( "Wink")
(or rather, the opponents' thereof). I merely spent a little time tweaking the moves of both sides, and was actually ran the results through an engine as well.
P.S. 4. b4 is met by 4. ...cxd4 5. Qxd4 Nc6.
Edit: My bad, I thought the latter comment was directed at me.
after 3..c5 black plays 4 b4
after 3..c5 black plays 4 b4
You know, that anyone could possibly think that is good makes me laugh. Black has easy equality or advantage. cxb4 wins a pawn. cxd4 Qxd4 Nc6 gains tempo. And c4 gets a protected passed pawn. Every possible move is good for black. lol.