What are the best openings for black and white

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Ethan_Brollier
pfren wrote:
SFdelcai wrote:

 ThrillerFan wrote:
ShuckleSquad13 wrote:

The Fried Love ris almost completely winning for white. Check analysis board. It's almost plus 2.

Any player playing Black with half a brain would never allow it!

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5?! d5! 5.exd5 Na5! (Equal at worst for Black!)

 

 

Your suggested "line" is just losing for Black after 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.d4 (or even 6.d3).

This doesn't work because currently white's pawn on d5 is blocking the bishop from reaching the f7 sqaure. The line @ThrillerFan is recommending is the Polerio Defense and is actually Black's best chance against the Italian Game: Knight Attack.

 

Ethan_Brollier
Theqmjmmasta wrote:

for a new player, try to focus on opening principles rather than specific opening theory. I would recommend playing the Italian when you can but instead of learning deep and positional lines, try to follow opening fundamentals with every move.
++This, except replace the word "Italian" with the word "Scotch"

 

pfren
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
pfren wrote:
SFdelcai wrote:

 ThrillerFan wrote:
ShuckleSquad13 wrote:

The Fried Love ris almost completely winning for white. Check analysis board. It's almost plus 2.

Any player playing Black with half a brain would never allow it!

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5?! d5! 5.exd5 Na5! (Equal at worst for Black!)

 

 

Your suggested "line" is just losing for Black after 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.d4 (or even 6.d3).

This doesn't work because currently white's pawn on d5 is blocking the bishop from reaching the f7 sqaure. The line @ThrillerFan is recommending is the Polerio Defense and is actually Black's best chance against the Italian Game: Knight Attack.

 

 

One really doesn't need brains to see that I was replying to @SFdelcai  who erased his post after that. Does he?

As for "Black's best chance"... 5...Na5 is of course OK, but I prefer 5...b5.

 

Ethan_Brollier
pfren wrote:
Ethan_Brollier wrote:
pfren wrote:
SFdelcai wrote:

 ThrillerFan wrote:
ShuckleSquad13 wrote:

The Fried Love ris almost completely winning for white. Check analysis board. It's almost plus 2.

Any player playing Black with half a brain would never allow it!

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5?! d5! 5.exd5 Na5! (Equal at worst for Black!)

 

 

Your suggested "line" is just losing for Black after 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.d4 (or even 6.d3).

This doesn't work because currently white's pawn on d5 is blocking the bishop from reaching the f7 sqaure. The line @ThrillerFan is recommending is the Polerio Defense and is actually Black's best chance against the Italian Game: Knight Attack.

 

 

One really doesn't need brains to see that I was replying to @SFdelcai  who erased his post after that. Does he?

 

I'm sorry, that's my bad. I didn't see that there was another post in the thread that got deleted.
Edit: I've just been informed that @SFdelcai was recommending 4... Nxe4, and yes I would agree that this is a terrible, terrible move.

delcai007
Ethan_Brollier wrote:

 

I'm sorry, that's my bad. I didn't see that there was another post in the thread that got deleted.
Edit: I've just been informed that @SFdelcai was recommending 4... Nxe4, and yes I would agree that this is a terrible, terrible move.

If I start seeing 5.Bxf7 more often, common at higher levels than mine no doubt, instead of what I'm seeing now, almost always Nxf7 or Nxe4, I'll stop playing this. I didn't invent it, of course. It's called the Ponziani-Steinitz gambit. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkAhPDKfMfY&t=407s&ab_channel=GothamChess