x
Chess - Play & Learn

Chess.com

FREE - In Google Play

FREE - in Win Phone Store

VIEW

What is the sharpest line against the Caro Kann?

  • #21

    Might*

  • #22
    greekgift_221b wrote:

    After 3... c5 White just grabs a pawn and politely says : "Thank you."

    So thank you and all other 1800 players who play c5, you are very helpful

     

    This statement just shows you don't have a clue. Assuming I'm an 1800 after a few rapid games is equally as ignorant. Have a nice daywink.png

  • #23

    Well if you want full lines covering 3... c5, I want some money from you.

    Fair enough.

  • #24

    Oh I just saw the game you lost here.

    I apologize for insulting all the 1800 players

  • #25

    Only moves those give full equality against 1. e4 are e5 and c5.

    Karpov played the Caro good, but he is Soviet...

     

     

     

     

     

  • #26

    The October 2017 issue of Chess lists the top twenty openings compiled from a list of 4192 August games where both players were rated over 2400 Elo. One can not take position on this list too seriously because it is greatly influenced by how the openings are grouped. For example, all the Retis are grouped together, while English is separated into 1...c5, 1...e5, etc. Nevertheless, for what it is worth, some of the list entries are: 271 Retis, 232 King's Indians, 172 Caro-Kanns, 165 Nimzo-Indians, 126 Najdorf Sicilians, 126 Slavs, 118 declined Queen's Gambits, 100 Queen's Indians, 98 1...e5 Englishes, 94 1...c5 Englishes, 93 Kan Sicilians, 81 Tarrasch Frenches, 77 1...Nf6 Englishes, 73 Guioco Pianos, 67 1...e6 Englishes, and 66 Moderns

  • #27

    Lol ok buddy. First of all, if I was gonna pay for c5 lines, I'd find somebody way higher rated and less of a jacka$$. As for that game you're trying to poke fun at me over, yeah I was totally winning and wound up losing a drawn position on time. Excuse me for being rusty after returning to chess after a 6 month break. I'm sure I could go through your game history and find some really stupid losses by you, but I'm not that childish. Now that you've shown how much of a prick you are, I'm definitely done speaking to you.

  • #28

     

  • #29

    I would like to see a Soviet writing things like 'jacka...' and 'prick'

    It says a lot about you though

    And also, in that game I find very funny your brilliant d4, c5 and d3

    LOL

    @aa-ron1235 yeah, that is a cool line playable for both sides. I like White there, but he should definitely be careful.

  • #30

    At least I didn't get wrecked by a dumb 2000 rated computer that started 1.c3surprise.png

  • #31

    Oh, I thought you were done speaking woth me.

    Since when is Computer4-IMPOSSIBLE dumb?

    Wow R.I.P. logic

  • #32

     

  • #33

    I've been playing the Caro-K recently and have been struggling when White plays the Advance variation, 3. e5. It leads to a very cramped position for Black, and difficulty developing his knights and bishops.

  • #34
    poucin wrote:
    Optimissed a écrit :

    Advance Caro-Kann isn't very tactical. In general, black gets to decide how tactical the games are. For instance, I like 1. e4 ...c6 2. d4. ...d5 3. Nc3 ...de 4. Nxe4 ...Nf6 5. Nxf6 for black.

     

    This line leads to messy/irrational positions.

    Shirov crushed many GM with this weapons (and was crushed too!).

    One example u shouldn't show to anyone with a heart condition.>>

    It really isn't all that tactical. g4 is an anti-positional move with aggressive intentions but the centre is blocked and black only needs to make sensible moves. White gets a bit more space and I don't suppose black should 0-0 too soon but it should be about even ..... I occasionally play the Caro Kann as a second string to the Sicilian, although I'm not very good at it, and sometimes the g4 line comes up. It seems easier to play against than the Panov, against which I play Bb4, which seems OK ....

     

  • #35
     
    greekgift_221b wrote:

    Karpov is a player with a unique strength. So Caro-Kann is pretty much okay when he plays it, but after 3. e5, White already has an advantage.>>>



    This is why I like the Caro as a second string, especially in blitz if I'm not feeling sharp, I change to the Caro and love it when white plays 3. e5. I never seem to get into much trouble against the Advance and consider it automatic equality for black. Just 3. ...Bf5, ...d6, develop both knights, and play ...c5 with a possible ...c4, often follow2ed with ...b5 and ...b4, with ...f5 in reserve if necessary. It takes a bit of cunning to develop properly against good play but black generally gets some useful positions.

     

  • #36
    Optimissed a écrit :
    poucin wrote:
    Optimissed a écrit :

    Advance Caro-Kann isn't very tactical. In general, black gets to decide how tactical the games are. For instance, I like 1. e4 ...c6 2. d4. ...d5 3. Nc3 ...de 4. Nxe4 ...Nf6 5. Nxf6 for black.

     

    This line leads to messy/irrational positions.

    Shirov crushed many GM with this weapons (and was crushed too!).

    One example u shouldn't show to anyone with a heart condition.>>

    It really isn't all that tactical. g4 is an anti-positional move with aggressive intentions but the centre is blocked and black only needs to make sensible moves. White gets a bit more space and I don't suppose black should 0-0 too soon but it should be about even ..... I occasionally play the Caro Kann as a second string to the Sicilian, although I'm not very good at it, and sometimes the g4 line comes up. It seems easier to play against than the Panov, against which I play Bb4, which seems OK ....

     

     

     

    "black only needs to make sensible moves. White gets a bit more space and I don't suppose black should 0-0 too soon but it should be about even".

    All this is abstract but chess is concrete, especially in sharp lines.

    There is some reason we don't see anymore this line at high level (maybe just fashion), but i don't know an easy way for black to handle this position.

    Black is probably fine, but not whistling...

  • #37
    Optimissed wrote:
     
    greekgift_221b wrote:

    Karpov is a player with a unique strength. So Caro-Kann is pretty much okay when he plays it, but after 3. e5, White already has an advantage.>>>



    This is why I like the Caro as a second string, especially in blitz if I'm not feeling sharp, I change to the Caro and love it when white plays 3. e5. I never seem to get into much trouble against the Advance and consider it automatic equality for black. Just 3. ...Bf5, ...d6, develop both knights, and play ...c5 with a possible ...c4, often follow2ed with ...b5 and ...b4, with ...f5 in reserve if necessary. It takes a bit of cunning to develop properly against good play but black generally gets some useful positions.

     

    Haha I suppose if you look from that point of view. But I will reveal you a secret: White makes moves too.

Top

Online Now