what opening should i play as a 800 beginner?

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TheSampson
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
PompousOstrich wrote:

I just dont think it makes sense for a low-rated player to get into complex positions willingly. It makes more sense to learn how to place pieces in good squares and maneuver pieces properly in an easier setting, before trying to get yourself into a very complex position and "winging it".

The Sicilian is actually an amazing opening for understanding piece placement, especially the Najdorf.

There are common themes throughout the variations where you can understand clear reasons for why a piece is better here or there. You can even go for different piece layouts with different ideas behind them, depending on preference.

I second this. This is the mainline:

The queen on c7 utilizes a half-open file to control vital queenside squares- where the enemy king stands.

The knight on d7 supports the knight on f6 and develops the knight to a square where the important c-file remains accessible to the queen and rooks.

The bishop on e7 allows kingside castling and protects the knight from being attacked by an enemy pawn- losing the piece because the knight would be pinned to the king.

The pawn on b5 gains queenside space, prepares a queenside pawn storm/attack to expose the enemy king, and allows the light-squared bishop to go to b7.

the pawn on a6 supports the pawn on b5. Simple as that.

The piece placement is easy to understand- which is better than memorization. The Najdorf, although it has mountains of theory, is one of the easiest openings to understand because its piece placement is extremely natural if you understand why.

Yes, and it’s the same for e5 if e5 is not easier.

but the Najdorf isn’t one of the easiest openings to understand, just because you have that piece placement down, doesn’t mean it’s one of the easiest openings to understand.

Of course it’s not easy to understand- the amount of theory is unbearable and there are countless different setups. But you can understand the setup you play in the Najdorf easily.

Sea_TurtIe

e5 agianst everything except Bc4 and Bg5

TheSampson
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

I love when people play the bowlder against me. I get good central control and my pieces come out naturally.

I actually got a bowdler once and he tried to fried liver me 💀 (mind you he was like, 930, acting like a 500)

I recall winning that game by a long shot

Sea_TurtIe

and you typically adopt this setup

TheSampson
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

e5 agianst everything except Bc4 and Bg5

Not against the Adams Attack tho

Sea_TurtIe
TheSampson wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:

I love when people play the bowlder against me. I get good central control and my pieces come out naturally.

I actually got a bowdler once and he tried to fried liver me 💀 (mind you he was like, 930, acting like a 500)

I recall winning that game by a long shot

ive actually had this lmao

Sea_TurtIe
TheSampson wrote:
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

e5 agianst everything except Bc4 and Bg5

Not against the Adams Attack tho

not valid?

TheSampson
Sea_TurtIe wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

e5 agianst everything except Bc4 and Bg5

Not against the Adams Attack tho

not valid?

That’s playable but I think the best line was something where you play e6, d5, pin the c3 knight, retake on d5 with the knight, play Qc7, Nc6, and stack your bishops on the d-file. Not sure, I might recheck

SamuelAjedrez95

e5 is good against the Adams Attack

e6 and g6 are also playable though.

Sea_TurtIe

ive been trying h5 against the english, and it actually works really well

AltaModa
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

ive been trying h5 against the english, and it actually works really well

thats not the English

pleewo
TheSampson wrote:
FrogboyWarpz wrote:
TheSampson wrote:
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
PompousOstrich wrote:

I just dont think it makes sense for a low-rated player to get into complex positions willingly. It makes more sense to learn how to place pieces in good squares and maneuver pieces properly in an easier setting, before trying to get yourself into a very complex position and "winging it".

The Sicilian is actually an amazing opening for understanding piece placement, especially the Najdorf.

There are common themes throughout the variations where you can understand clear reasons for why a piece is better here or there. You can even go for different piece layouts with different ideas behind them, depending on preference.

I second this. This is the mainline:

The queen on c7 utilizes a half-open file to control vital queenside squares- where the enemy king stands.

The knight on d7 supports the knight on f6 and develops the knight to a square where the important c-file remains accessible to the queen and rooks.

The bishop on e7 allows kingside castling and protects the knight from being attacked by an enemy pawn- losing the piece because the knight would be pinned to the king.

The pawn on b5 gains queenside space, prepares a queenside pawn storm/attack to expose the enemy king, and allows the light-squared bishop to go to b7.

the pawn on a6 supports the pawn on b5. Simple as that.

The piece placement is easy to understand- which is better than memorization. The Najdorf, although it has mountains of theory, is one of the easiest openings to understand because its piece placement is extremely natural if you understand why.

Yes, and it’s the same for e5 if e5 is not easier.

but the Najdorf isn’t one of the easiest openings to understand, just because you have that piece placement down, doesn’t mean it’s one of the easiest openings to understand.

Of course it’s not easy to understand- the amount of theory is unbearable and there are countless different setups. But you can understand the setup you play in the Najdorf easily.

Fair enough

Sea_TurtIe

do you know your openings?

the ENGLISH attack, or simply the english

danzxyz

idk

TheSampson
PompousOstrich wrote:
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

ive been trying h5 against the english, and it actually works really well

thats not the English

it’s the English attack bro 💀

orlock20

The modern for black and the Colle to QGD variation for white. Both allow quick castling, a solid pawn front and protection of one's pieces which reduces hanging pieces.

DestroysFeet

I recommend the queens gambit because it can be powerful pretty much no matter what your opponent does. London system is also a great opening to use.

confucius
Did u just say the najdorf…
clairecps77
Spanish I love dis opening
maafernan

Hi!

Here attached a link to an opening repertoire for beginners:

https://www.chess.com/blog/maafernan/openings-for-beginners

Good luck!