what should i play vs the sicilian (now a discussion of whites side of the sicilian) - Chess Forums - Page 8

pleewo

May 7, 2023

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#141

TheSampson wrote:

Ilampozhil25 wrote:

TheSampson wrote:

Ilampozhil25 wrote:

#103

whats the chance black knows that

people know less about openings than you think

theres a chance they just happened to push pawns exactly that way, and moved the queen out cuz thats what beginners do

But praying that your opponent doesn't know the best move in their own opening is, first of all, spitting on the game of chess, and second of all, insanely risky. There's a 50/50 chance you lose or get a regular game. That's just terrible.

lol

thats what all risky gambits are

assuming the opponent doesnt know the best moves in their own opening

insanely risky

spitting on the game of chess

50/50 chance

The Grand Prix isn't just a bunch of sacrificed material and gambiting everything you have. It's a legitimate opening setup, which, if given the chance, can give you attacking possibilities. It's like saying the Ruy Lopez is just theory and no chess.

I completely agree! The Grand Prix isn’t just some one trick pony yall 🐎

pleewo

May 7, 2023

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#142

PDX_Axe wrote:

The fact that we are now at 7 pages and still going strong only reinforces my earlier point that you should NOT play against the Sicilian, as there is simply too much theoretical knowledge needed to successfully navigate the Sicilian ocean for anyone below Master level. The only way to do this is to NOT play 1. e4. This is why I mostly play 1. d4 openings, with a few other variations like 1. c4, etc. If I am playing white, I want to use my first move advantage to steer the game into something I will know better than my opponent, and not the other way around.

Then you play a kings Indian know all and get destroyed? Makes sense makes sense

TheSampson

May 7, 2023

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#143

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

TheSampson wrote:

the thing is I legitimately can't remember another open line in the sicilian that's not a gambit

It's your personal problem that you don't appreciate it and can't be bothered to learn it. That's why you try to discourage others.

Well, seems like someone likes chess a little bit too much

First of all, you should not be this irritated about someone’s opinion on a chess opening (I’m pretty sure that’s a little bit unhealthy) and secondly, I wasn’t trying to force the Grand Prix down your throat. I was simply recommending what I personally like to play. As I said, you can play the Open Sicilian, I’m completely fine with that. I’m just trying to share what I think.

pleewo

May 7, 2023

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#144

Ilampozhil25 wrote:

hmm

i see one problem

black plays a sort of qgd, he will know that once wBf1 moves, take on c4 and enjoy the sweet sweet tempo

and im talking about london

Um… Bxf5? I have no idea why that bishop cannot be taken, free bishop is a free bishop

pleewo

May 7, 2023

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#145

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

FrogboyWarpz wrote:

I don’t think the f5 line is any problem. Bb2 and 0-0-0

It's still playable for white. It's not that the Magnus Sicilian is refuted. Black just has very good chances in this line.

8. Bb2 Nf6 and now e4 hangs, 9. Bd3 Qa5.

I think white can gambit the e4 pawn. In any case, I think both sides get chances.

TheSampson

May 7, 2023

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#146

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

If you think it's a pain to learn and play chess then that's your problem. Open Sicilian is a fun opening. Just people like you have no appreciation for it because of something someone else told you when you actually have no idea what you're talking about.

This can apply to anything, "if opponent plays 1. ...Nf6 against me then I won't know what to do and that's a pain to learn" "If opponent plays 1. ... b6 against me then I'm going to be totally lost"

You act like someone playing the Nimzowitsch Sicilian is somehow different. This isn't even Open Sicilian, it's 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6, so how is that anything to do with the Open Sicilian. This is just a bunch of nonsense hysteria spread about the Sicilian by people who actually have no clue.

First of all, the Nimzowitsch was one example. Give me something against the Nimzowitsch, fine. Now I have to learn, say, the Pin variation. And, secondly, I know thinking studying chess is a pain is my problem, therefore it’s my opinion, and I don’t know how you’re trying to refute it. It’s like saying you like vanilla ice cream but I like chocolate, so you tell me I’m wrong.

and bro “b e c a u s e y o u d o n t h a v e a n y a p p r e c i a t i o n f o r i t” this is chess.com not twitter

pleewo

May 7, 2023

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#147

TheSampson wrote:

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

TheSampson wrote:

the thing is I legitimately can't remember another open line in the sicilian that's not a gambit

It's your personal problem that you don't appreciate it and can't be bothered to learn it. That's why you try to discourage others.

Well, seems like someone likes chess a little bit too much

First of all, you should not be this irritated about someone’s opinion on a chess opening (I’m pretty sure that’s a little bit unhealthy) and secondly, I wasn’t trying to force the Grand Prix down your throat. I was simply recommending what I personally like to play. As I said, you can play the Open Sicilian, I’m completely fine with that. I’m just trying to share what I think.

Fr fr. I don’t think Sampson ever said you shouldn’t play open Sicilian

TheSampson

May 7, 2023

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#148

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

TheSampson wrote:

Well, I don't really know what to say, then. The Rossolimo and the Moscow/Canal Attack are interesting lines, I guess, but I can't really give any more recommendations.

If you play Rossolimo and Moscow then opponent can still play the Nimzowitsch Sicilian against you so none of what you're saying makes any sense.

Fair, but playing the Rossolimo and the Moscow limit it down to the mainlines of the opening, the Nimzowitsch, the Hyper-Accelerated Dragon and a few other minor sidelines (plus the rossolimo and the Moscow weren’t even my main recommendations)

pleewo

May 7, 2023

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#149

Justice for Alapin! #IQPforLife!

TheSampson

May 7, 2023

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#150

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

PDX_Axe wrote:

The fact that we are now at 7 pages and still going strong only reinforces my earlier point that you should NOT play against the Sicilian, as there is simply too much theoretical knowledge needed to successfully navigate the Sicilian ocean. The only way to do this is to NOT play 1. e4. This is why I mostly play 1. d4 openings, with a few other variations like 1. c4, etc. If I am playing white, I want to use my first move advantage to steer the game into something I will know better than my opponent, and not the other way around.

But then you have to learn what to do against:

Nimzo or Queen's Indian/Bogo-Indian
King's Indian
Benoni
Grünfeld
Queen's Gambit Declined
Queen's Gambit Accepted
Slav
Semi-Slav
Tarrasch
Chigorin

But, as we've discovered, learning = bad. If you have to learn something and get smarter then you are wasting precious oxygen which would be better spent on sniffing glue.

If you play 1. d4 d5 2. c4 and opponent plays Nc6 then you're going to be totally lost because OH GOD THE THEORY, NOT THE DREADED THEORY. The pain of learning is unbearable.

(Please don't recommend the London lol)

you can limit it down to just the London :troll:

pleewo

May 7, 2023

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#151

If you learn the london, you still have to learn what to do against different black setups. You cut it down but you still gotta work, london isn’t that easy when you actually try to learn the opening.

654Psyfox

May 7, 2023

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#152

Wing Gambit, helps control center, also avoids heavy theory.

SamuelAjedrez95

May 7, 2023

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#153

TheSampson wrote:

Well, seems like someone likes chess a little bit too much

First of all, you should not be this irritated about someone’s opinion on a chess opening (I’m pretty sure that’s a little bit unhealthy) and secondly, I wasn’t trying to force the Grand Prix down your throat. I was simply recommending what I personally like to play. As I said, you can play the Open Sicilian, I’m completely fine with that. I’m just trying to share what I think.

This is a very petty and disgusting argument that you made. I was trying to encourage others and show them that there are a lot of interesting and fun ways to play chess. All you're doing is saying that it's all boring, it's too much of a bother, there's no point.

Like of course I'm passionate about chess. What's wrong with that? What you said is basically like saying "You like chess? What a frickin nerd!"

Just because you're not interested in it enough to actually explore these variations doesn't mean there's something wrong with me. You just talk about how much of a bother it is to you (and others, apparently) to have to learn anything about these variations instead of being interested in them.

TheSampson

May 7, 2023

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#154

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

TheSampson wrote:

Well, seems like someone likes chess a little bit too much

First of all, you should not be this irritated about someone’s opinion on a chess opening (I’m pretty sure that’s a little bit unhealthy) and secondly, I wasn’t trying to force the Grand Prix down your throat. I was simply recommending what I personally like to play. As I said, you can play the Open Sicilian, I’m completely fine with that. I’m just trying to share what I think.

This is a very petty and disgusting argument that you made. I was trying to encourage others and show them that there are a lot of interesting and fun ways to play chess. All you're doing is saying that it's all boring, it's too much of a bother, there's no point.

Like of course I'm passionate about chess. What's wrong with that? What you said is basically like saying "You like chess? What a frickin nerd!"

Just because you're not interested in it enough to actually explore these variations doesn't mean there's something wrong with me. You just talk about how much of a bother it is to you (and others, apparently) to have to learn anything about these variations instead of being interested in them.

1. I meant you’re obsessed with chess enough to get aggressive about it, not that you’re passionate about chess.

2. Again, I’m not saying you shouldn’t play the Open Sicilian. I’m just giving another option, like I mentioned in the last post. If you play the Open Sicilian, that’s entirely fine. You can get interested in it. You can play it. You can drop out of school and watch a 2-hour theory video on the Open Sicilian on loop nonstop. I don’t mind.

3. I didn’t say there was something wrong with you for playing the Open Sicilian, I don’t know where you’re getting these arguments from.

mrOpenRuy

May 7, 2023

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#155

the king of anti sicilians???

the Rossolimo holds that title for its the only anti sicilian we can respect

Ilampozhil25

May 7, 2023

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#156

FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Ilampozhil25 wrote:

would you rather:

a) play smth like gpa then have to change to open once you get good enough

b) start off with open from the beginning, thus removing the awkward opening change

I completely disagree with what you are saying here. The Opening change is not awkward at all, in fact it makes your chess journey better as you will have multiple weapons in your repertoire and you learn a bunch of different ideas and stuff from other openings. The idea of only playing Ruy Lopez, Najdorf, and Nimzo from beginner to 2000 just makes me sad even though those are good openings.

wooow

i dont play ruy from white (initiator)

dont play naj from black (initiator)

dont play nimzo at all

there are mainlines which arent main main lines

e.g stuff like the scotch, sideline in that case would be ponziani

Ilampozhil25

May 7, 2023

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#157

TheSampson wrote:

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

TheSampson wrote:

the thing is I legitimately can't remember another open line in the sicilian that's not a gambit

It's your personal problem that you don't appreciate it and can't be bothered to learn it. That's why you try to discourage others.

Well, seems like someone likes chess a little bit too much

First of all, you should not be this irritated about someone’s opinion on a chess opening

heres smth general: if someones opinion is extremely stupid, yes people can be irritated

(I’m pretty sure that’s a little bit unhealthy) and secondly, I wasn’t trying to force the Grand Prix down your throat.

I was simply recommending what I personally like to play.

this reminds me of london system (like the system with no change) players, this feels like an argument used by them

i could just say "dont play xx opening" and use this argument

As I said, you can play the Open Sicilian, I’m completely fine with that.

where!?

I’m just trying to share what I think.

Ilampozhil25

May 7, 2023

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#158

FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Ilampozhil25 wrote:

hmm

i see one problem

black plays a sort of qgd, he will know that once wBf1 moves, take on c4 and enjoy the sweet sweet tempo

and im talking about london

Um… Bxf5? I have no idea why that bishop cannot be taken, free bishop is a free bishop

Qxb2 and oh no my rook

theres some line like this btw couldnt remember it exactly

mrOpenRuy

May 7, 2023

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#159

FrogboyWarpz wrote:

Justice for Alapin! #IQPforLife!

you dont understand how goddam boring the alapin is, its super drawish and black can just calmly improve his position and never get anywhere, same with white.

nobody here makes progress usually, what usually happens is that its a equal endgame and its a draw

Ilampozhil25

May 7, 2023

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#160

TheSampson wrote:

SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

If you think it's a pain to learn and play chess then that's your problem. Open Sicilian is a fun opening. Just people like you have no appreciation for it because of something someone else told you when you actually have no idea what you're talking about.

This can apply to anything, "if opponent plays 1. ...Nf6 against me then I won't know what to do and that's a pain to learn" "If opponent plays 1. ... b6 against me then I'm going to be totally lost"

You act like someone playing the Nimzowitsch Sicilian is somehow different. This isn't even Open Sicilian, it's 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nf6, so how is that anything to do with the Open Sicilian. This is just a bunch of nonsense hysteria spread about the Sicilian by people who actually have no clue.

First of all, the Nimzowitsch was one example. Give me something against the Nimzowitsch, fine. Now I have to learn, say, the Pin variation. And, secondly, I know thinking studying chess is a pain is my problem, therefore it’s my opinion, and I don’t know how you’re trying to refute it. It’s like saying you like vanilla ice cream but I like chocolate, so you tell me I’m wrong.

and bro “b e c a u s e y o u d o n t h a v e a n y a p p r e c i a t i o n f o r i t” this is chess.com not twitter

uh... good job thats a good argument actually

its like london players, who only want this on the board and dont care about anything else in all of chess

and also, if you think you can just play the same system vs everything black can do, youre no better than those london players; and are only doing it because youre afraid

all those arguments now can apply to you