What well known gambits are unsound?

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ponz111

You guys are overwhelming me.  I will have to continue another day.

However I will go back to my point and that is in this gambit

Black has to make the move d5-d4 to try and set up a space advantage and that takes time if you are on the black side of a gambit. Later Black has to play Ne7 then Ng6 then Nxe5--3 moves just to gain back the Pawn and in the meantime

white 0-0s and makes a very nice fianchetto bishop and after the pawn is regained White has a lead in development and a position which is more than the usual opening advantage and that is not what a gambiteer would like for his gambit. 

Of course Black has many tries to equalize but he is only trying to equalize in the postion after the 9th move. I am not saying the gambit is refuted as that would, in truth, be impossible to verify but I am saying it is a hard line to follow if White plays correctly in the opening. 

Pacifique

Ponz`s statement about Black "only trying to equalize" is simply not true as we can see in this thread. "Holes" in his analysis allows Black to have even better position. See the last one for example.

It`s unfair to belittle opening, only because your claim about it being "unsound" appeared to be false.

finalunpurez

I think the best try to get an serious advantage for white in ablin counter gambit is to play a3 early on.

ponz111

It may very well be that the a3 lines are best against the Albin.

I think the line I gave is also quite good against the Albin.  If there are questions I have not responded to--I will try and respond.

Re Pacifique, I have the "right" to express my opinion about the Albin because I have extensively analyzed it.  Now if I  had not done this, then I would really have no "right"

I will try very hard to get back to unanswered questions when I have the chance.

mottsauce
alexlaw wrote:
ponz111 wrote:

It may very well be that the a3 lines are best against the Albin.

I think the line I gave is also quite good against the Albin.  If there are questions I have not responded to--I will try and respond.

Re Pacifique, I have the "right" to express my opinion about the Albin because I have extensively analyzed it.  Now if I  had not done this, then I would really have no "right"

I will try very hard to get back to unanswered questions when I have the chance.

you seem to be sacrificing your health for this albin stuff. Get some more sleep, and analyze when you're feeling good.

lol!

Pacifique
ponz111 wrote:

It may very well be that the a3 lines are best against the Albin.

I think the line I gave is also quite good against the Albin.  If there are questions I have not responded to--I will try and respond.

Re Pacifique, I have the "right" to express my opinion about the Albin because I have extensively analyzed it.  Now if I  had not done this, then I would really have no "right"

I will try very hard to get back to unanswered questions when I have the chance.

Your 9.Qb3 line vs Albin is playable of course, but analysis shows so far that it`s nothing deadly for Black.

Nobody denies your right to express your opinion. But also others have such a right which includes the right to state opinion about content of your posts.

mottsauce

i know, it's still funny though :)

Pacifique
ponz111 wrote:

I am using an old version of Fritz.

Missed this post before. It explains your evaluation of some positions. You need to download more modern engine. You can download Houdini (probably the strongest chess engine so far)  at houdinichess.com

Pacifique
ponz111

I got tired of giving lines after 9. Qb3 in the Albin Counter Gambit and looked for something better--aannnddd here is what I found:

ponz111
ponz111

Also, 9. b3  c5 10. e3

Dark_Falcon

I thought this would be a general discussion about unsound gambits...and now you only discuss this dry Albin to death...boring Cool

stanhope13

All gambits can be unsound.

Dark_Falcon
stanhope13 wrote:

All gambits can be unsound.

OK, then this thread can be closed...finally!

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Maybe a good way to compare gambits is by comparing them to each other. It's all about how much you get for the ___ that you sacrificed. So maybe the From is better than the Englund because black is doing better in those positions. Imagine a ranking of all gambits... #hurtheal

beardogjones

If some gambit were sound it would not be called a gambit but rather

it would be called a combination.

Fred-Splott

No, it's nomenclature. The queens and kings gambits both offer a small edge for white with best play.

Fred-Splott

Pacifique, it's ridiculous to suggest that the Albin offers an edge for black!

finalunpurez
Fred-Splott wrote:

No, it's nomenclature. The queens and kings gambits both offer a small edge for white with best play.

The kings gambit offers black easy equality if black knows the lines.