why d4 is better than e4

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shepi13
Expertise87 wrote:
shepi13 wrote:

Na5 hangs the e5 pawn, which is why it is never played. After 5...d6 a4 white should be better, which is why b5 is usually delayed a few moves.

 



We'll have to let Taimanov know that...

6.Nxe5 is a rare move that is well-enough met by 6...Nxb3 7.axb3 Qe7 getting the pawn back. Maybe White has a slight pull there but it certainly doesn't 'hang the e5-pawn' as you claim.

Frown I guess 1. d4 is better after all. Well, the only knowledge I really have on the white side of the ruy lopez (being a d4 player) is some book I read that said to make room for the bishop when d6 was played because Na5 was threatened as e5 was no longer hanging. So I figured it had to be hanging in the first place if Na5 was played.

Wind
hankas wrote:

d4 tends to lead to blocked center, where both parties often end up pursuing their own side of the board. This blocked center limits the options for both players. Some players find this comforting as there are fewer surprises from the opponent. Some however find this restricting as this also limits their offensive options.

e4 is more flexible. e4 may lead to any kind of situation depending on the players. This allows the players to adopt a wide range of strategies. e4 can lead to violent and complicated positions, or simple positions, or blocked center similar to the d4 openings.

So is d4 better than e4? I don't think so. I think that with e4 there is a greater chance to win as there are more opportunities for both parties to make mistakes.

I agree with that. I think e4 is far more dynamic, and also it's best for leaning to deal with complicated positions.

I guess a player should start learning the queen's pawn opening only if he finds a tranquil game more suitable, although there are some complications at that opening too, of course.

shepi13

I disagree, and so do most masters. In d4 games it is much easier to take advantage of slight mistakes, and many club players do not understand the positions.

ThrillerFan
Newba wrote:
hankas wrote:

d4 tends to lead to blocked center, where both parties often end up pursuing their own side of the board. This blocked center limits the options for both players. Some players find this comforting as there are fewer surprises from the opponent. Some however find this restricting as this also limits their offensive options.

e4 is more flexible. e4 may lead to any kind of situation depending on the players. This allows the players to adopt a wide range of strategies. e4 can lead to violent and complicated positions, or simple positions, or blocked center similar to the d4 openings.

So is d4 better than e4? I don't think so. I think that with e4 there is a greater chance to win as there are more opportunities for both parties to make mistakes.

I agree with that. I think e4 is far more dynamic, and also it's best for leaning to deal with complicated positions.

I guess a player should start learning the queen's pawn opening only if he finds a tranquil game more suitable, although there are some complications at that opening too, of course.


I beg to differ.  1.e4 vs 1.d4 doesn't determine dynamic vs strategic.  1.d4 doesn't equal a blocked center.  Here's disproof for both your theories:

French Defense:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 (1.e4, Blocked Center)
French Defense:  1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 (Dynamic?  What are you drinking?)

Or how about this one?
Caro-Kann Defense:  1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.Bd3 Nc6 5.c3 Qc7 with eventual develop of the Bishop and e6.
Queen's Gambit Declined Exchange Variation:  1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5 Be7 6.e3 c6

We have the Carlsbad Pawn Structure in both (with colors reversed), so ideas of things like the Minority attack for White in the exchange QGD also apply for Black in the exchange Caro-Kann.  But the Caro-Kann is 1.e4 and the QGD is 1.d4, so I guess by your theory, the same pawn structure is Dynamic in one direction and Strategic in the other direction?

Gligoric King's Indian: 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.Be3 Ng4 8.Bg5 f6 9.Bh4 g5 10.Bg3 Nh6 - Since this started with 1.d4, it must not be violent and complicated, huh?

I guess this also means the Modern Benoni and Benko Gambit are tranquil and slow while the c3-Sicilian and Glek Variation of the Vienna (3.g3) are super-complicated, dynamic, full of fireworks openings, huh?

You try playing the 4 Pawns Attack or Saemisch against the King's Indian, Russian System against the Grunfeld, 4.Nf3 against the Nimzo-Indian, Rubinstein Variation against the QGD (that's 7.Qc2 instead of 7.Rc1 with frequent Queenside castling), etc, and then you try to come back and tell me that d4 is tranquil chess!  Tongue Out

ajian

also semi-slav mainline after ...dxc4 or even QGA.  blocked center?????? or the Nimzo. Really simple and Tranquil, right?  radical views by you.

ajian
ajian

and tranquility is not neccesarily bad, eg:

ajian

d4 is less prepared for in tourneys so you have higher winning chance if you study 1.d4 theory well. 1.e4 has many more defenses against it since it is older. Many 1.e4 players hate to see the french or sicilia, or both. meanwhile, I, as a 1.d4 player, is not annoyed by any particular opening.

Ubik42

So, d4 is better than e4?

nameno1had

according to houdini one.five it is .....

shepi13

according to the chess.com DB it is too. d4 has a higher win percentage for white and a lower win percentage for black than e4.

Ubik42

So, no reason to read the first 376 posts? Its settled?

nameno1had

are the unduplicatible moves of an engine the best for humans ? this is why e4 is also very worth while, but i do have more trouble against d4

Ubik42
nameno1had wrote:

this is why e4 is...very worth while....

So, e4 better than d4?

nameno1had

it is a matter of preference really.....Bobby Fischer decided to master both, so they both must be equally good and equally playable....he smote people with both....

od1997

depends o your playing style and preference....

chesshole

e4, best by test

 

-Bobby Fischer

Ubik42

I wish he would have shared the results of this test. What was the sample size? Who was in the control group?

Rick56

e4 is winning; d4 loses in 47 moves, according to the test no one can produce results for that a friend of a guy I used to know once heard say.

ThrillerFan

d4, best by test

-ThrillerFan

Booby Phisher was an idiot!