DrSpudnik wrote:
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why is ruy lopez considered the strongest
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@ FOS
Oh...man leave it, please. You are a hypocrite against your self and anyone here. I guess long time now you was following every post of IM Pfren to watch-learn informations in openings and positions with out care about his behavior and now that turned against you, the IM become a chess player who does not know and consult the engine to speak his mind. If this is not grateful, selfish, arrogant then what?!
Before a week you worship IM Pfren posts and now he is not capable to play out of the book?! because you are incapable to understand why the Ruy Lopez is more powerful weapon for White than the Scotch and Vienna? and because you can't allow your ego to accept that are wrong here?!
And I am questioning...! How about to post here Nakamura?! and write the same things NM Reb, FM Rumo and IM Pfren have already wrote. What you will do? You will bring us here a game Nakamura was outplayed to prove us that he don't know how to play out of the book? Are you f@cking insane?
Bishop_g5 wrote:
@ FOS
And I am questioning...! How about to post here Nakamura?! and write the same things NM Reb, FM Rumo and IM Pfren have already wrote. What you will do? You will bring us here a game Nakamura was outplayed to prove us that he don't know how to play out of the book? Are you f@cking insane?
Nakamura would play 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 just for the hell of it!
Jul 31, 2015
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#465
Wow. I check into this thread after having ben away for about 12 hours. If anyone had any sympathy for 5oS before, they'd only have to read the last 200 posts or so and understand what is going on.
Regarding the Vienna: I think it's a fantastic repertoire choice for Romantic players all the way up to ~2300 strength. It's got plenty of cool ideas that are well suited both to Romantics and ultra modernists such as Igor Glek.
Of course, it's not as rich or complex as the Spanish, but it's a good practical choice for someone who wants to play chess without wading too far into the theoretical deep end.
Regarding the Marshall: It's a fine choice for class players. It offers excellent counterplay at the cost of a pawn. Black gets to attack White quite effectively, and often lands a knock-out blow in the early middle game in the U2000 sections. As a player progresses up the food chain, White masters the ability to defend and the extra pawn become more important. At the very highest levels, the Marshall is used as a feared DRAWING weapon!
Respects to Reb (post 671 in the current iteration) for trying to get the conversation back on topic, and to Rumo and others too.
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Well since we are talking about the Vienna Game.
I must admit I was inspired to give it a try the other day.
The game was wild. It went from winning to losing to drawing.
In the end my opponent was quite low on time.
He knew if he got rid of my pawn he would not lose on time.
So that is why he did that rook sac.
For the life of me. I couldn't find the killer blow lol.
I felt like there was one but I just couldn't see it lol.
It was a 10-0 game at the end it was bullet madness
As a class B player (as I've read 5oS is but I don't think I'll ever get anywhere near his online standard rating on here) I hate facing the Italian:
3...Nf6 amounts to a pawn sacrifice
3...Bc5 varies from too wild to too dull
3...d6 and 3...Be7 are solid but somewhat lifeless
3...h6, 3...f5, 3...Nd4 are garbage
3...Rb8 is a (garbage) TN I dreamed up 40 years ago that I dub "la torre nera"
Now let me state that *despite* hating to face the Italian, I acknowledge the Spanish as the better opening. Indeed, I played the Vienna for White for decades and switched to the Ruy 3 years ago, though I did love the flexibility the Vienna gave me on move three, after 2...Nf6 (there are of course alternatives)
3. f4
3. Bc4
3. g3
3. a3
Fiveofswords wrote:
im finding it somewhat amusing to expose certain peoples stupidity. even if it goes over their head.
Ha! Now that's funny!
Jul 31, 2015
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#471
quadrupled_pawns wrote:
As a class B player (as I've read 5oS is but I don't think I'll ever get anywhere near his online standard rating on here) I hate facing the Italian:
You could play the Sicilian or some weak opening like the French.
Jul 31, 2015
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#472
I prefer the two knights defense, probably because I'm not a fan of the bc5 systems as black. If white plays d3 then I would either put my bishop on e7 or g7.
I have to quit going to sleep on this thread ! Dang ! Too much catching up to do . 
Jul 31, 2015
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#474
It is a good thing I'm following this thread. Might come in handy in my games coming up at sinquefeld cup.
Of the current top 10 players in the world all 10 of them have the Ruy in their repertoire and 5 of them play it from both sides ! Ofcourse I am sure this is just about " fashion " and they arent intelligent enough to choose the opening that they believe gives them their best chances to win ( or at least draw ) . This fashion has been going on now for at least 100 years and EVERY world champion has used the Ruy in their repertoire with white or black and quite a few of them also played it from both sides ! There is no other opening after 1 e4 e5 that even comes close to this " pedigree " ! To answer the OP's original question this is one of several reasons why so many do consider the Ruy as the strongest .
Jul 31, 2015
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#476
“Be steady and well-ordered in your life so that you can be fierce and original in your work.”
― Gustave Flaubert
Jul 31, 2015
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#477
I don't think the Nimzo should be played by people on this thread even though it has been played by almost every world champion ever. Lower rated players don't understand it enough to make use of black's quick development and instead often succumb to whites bishop pair advantage later.
Fiveofswords wrote:
and even if we ignore the fact that i mentioned vienna you are still ignoring alternatives for black such as the petroff which i didnt need to mention...since the comparison is whote alternatives...so basically all your post makes no sense while also being incorrect
Starting with zingers early, in post #10...
pfren wrote:
Who cares what you will do with XJX?
Just stop rolling like an oozy turd in virtually any new thread opened.
Mixing metaphors with aplomb...
This Thread Has It All. 
arawn the difference between pfren and karpov is that pfren knows nothing without his engine...and karpov feels no need to insult me
I don't believe you think this is true. If you are Class B then certainly you would know the amount of over-the-board ability it takes to become an International Master.
I have the strongest engine in the world complete with six-man tablebases and am fairly well-versed in engines and how to interpret and ideally configure them. I am a certifiably terrible chess player.
Nevertheless, I'm not interested in debating pfren's skill. When I saw your post the Karpov and Anand games came to mind as examples of very strong players making elementary mistakes in the opening.