nothing bad about the scotch...its huge fun to play and at lower levels you get a couple of early checkmate victories
Why not the Scotch?
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hmm... but I never see anyone playing it (but me). It sure catches people by surprise though.
Lilboat21, this isn't about scotland. It's about the Scotch game right down there
Why can't you handle this, Iwinyoulosedontcry? This is a basic scotch position, and it is winning on an analysis board. You probably didn't study hard enough. In fact, if you pair an 7 year old vs. an teenager, and the teenager has been playing longer, who wins? When this matchup played out, the 7-year old playing the scotch lost, BUT had a playable position and could win with better tactics. ty
why? well it is kinda refuted, that is why it is practically never played, heck grandmasters play the perc defence more.
I basically no one plays it, no one will study it, so you can catch your opponent off guard
Fanstar1 a écrit :
why? well it is kinda refuted, that is why it is practically never played, heck grandmasters play the perc defence more.
Top players sometimes play it, especially Nepomniachtchi, and yesterday, Naka was near to win against Carlsen.
So please, if u know the refutation, could u share it?
The problem in my opinion with the scotch, is that it can be highly complicated, particularly in Mieses variation where black is better developed and white has to be careful.
This is not an easy opening, while giuoco piano (or others) are more educational and easier to handle.
I used to play the scotch but I stopped, too complicated for me.
Personnally on the 4...Bc5 variation, i advocated these 2 lines for white :
These lines are simple. But as i said, the problem is the Mieses variation 4...Nf6 : maybe playing 5.Nc3 is a good practical try, transposing into 4 knights with d4.
As a counterpoint, I've played the Scotch off and on as White most of my life. White gets a fine position where he can just play chess. Black also gets a fine position, generally with no weaknesses as the central tension has been dissolved so quickly, and he can just play chess as well. It seems that Black can make mistakes easier than White, but that's true for most openings. As poucin mentions, the hardest variations is with an early Nf6, but I've only seen this once or twice in my dozen games (lucky me).
It should be noted that Kasparov used the Scotch as a winning weapon for several years, and Carlsen has used it successfully, so certainly the opening is viable for our level. Here's my most memorable game with this opening, when I was quite younger.
Goodness gracious! How can an opening be too complicated for IM Poucin?
IMpoucin, instead of your lines in the classical scotch, I prefer
I dont know what you're talking about, i play 1. ...e5 and face the scotch all the time here. Usually several times per blitz session.
Maybe at your rating range people dont know it much, all the more reason for you to play it!
I generally believe that any opening is playable below 2200 elo, and the scotch is by far not the most dubious one.
HorribleTomato a écrit :
IMpoucin, instead of your lines in the classical scotch, I prefer
Thx, i know to read and i've already seen it.
That's why i mentionned other lines which are interesting alternatives.
In fact 4...Bc5 5.Nb3 can be considered nowadays the main treatment for white, because the classical approach with Be3 brings nothing(or maybe linked with g3.) : this is the way played at high level, but as i said, they mostly play 4...Nf6 when white has to know myriad of variations.
ko12ko12ko12, thank you for your input. I am an 1000-1300 in all ratings. That is probably why. Thanks!
I admit, it is kind of complicated...
If you are a under 1000 with no opening preparation and afraid of pins like Bg4!
This is the game referenced by IM Poucin...
I often play the Scotch Goering Gambit (double pawn sack) in bullet and blitz. It gives white great attacking opportunities. If black's not careful, he can get into trouble quickly.
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LilBoat21 wrote:
People don't like Scotland because of their national animal. Search it up. Thank me later.
People don't like unicorns??!!
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HorribleTomato a écrit :
IMpoucin, instead of your lines in the classical scotch, I prefer
Thx, i know to read and i've already seen it.
That's why i mentionned other lines which are interesting alternatives.
In fact 4...Bc5 5.Nb3 can be considered nowadays the main treatment for white, because the classical approach with Be3 brings nothing(or maybe linked with g3.) : this is the way played at high level, but as i said, they mostly play 4...Nf6 when white has to know myriad of variations.
I don't think 5.Nb3 offers white anything- actually the main line currently is surely enough 5.Nxc6 Qf6 6.Qf3.
I played the line as Black recently, and followed a recent ative idea which gives Black great play:
Unfortunately I cannot find the scoresheet, but the rest of the game is a parody: White played 12.f3? which loses to 12...Qg6!, but I played 12...Nf2? after which white is OK. After a few moves, white blundered a pawn, which I happily grabbed... and failed to convert.
On chess.com, I practically never see any Scotch players but me! Please put any scotch games, analyze it if you can. I can't see what's wrong? Maybe people didn't discover it, or is their something bad about it?