Bunch of...

It happens to me all the time.

I'm playing live, generaly against players with a better rank the me.

But sometimes, Endgame becomes really tight.
So tight that noone can win this game.
And what the opponent doing?
Wasting time.
Until I loose on time...
(How I am supposed to get points if I'm loosing on Draw?)

So for minutes, you see guy's rook, go from one side to the other, just doing nothing...
Sometimes with less then 30 from my death and his death.
But no.
Points first.

Is it only me or this is like...not really the game.

Please, If you are one of these, dont do it, you are loosing on credibility and if you see someone doing it, please don't advetise him.

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Yeah but you have taken more time to get to the same end game than him so why should he lose?

Not loosing, Drawing.

I already play a battle of «I move my rook» during 5MINS!!!

Imagine you start a 20min game and after 15 anybody can mate the other but you used 30sec more.
You offer draw, he decline.

So for 5mins +4mins30s you play you pieces the faster you can, to win on time.

You think its fair?

Well I think you have to use time to avoid these situations.  If you are ahead on time you can make a pressure move which will force your opponent to think more and make a wrong move.  I don't think chess is fair at all. 

In the situation you are talking about I would probably offer a draw and I guess that is what professionals would do, but unfortunately you can be a "bad sport" in chess.

If the same position happens 3 times you can claim a draw, without needing his approval. Or when there has been 50 moves without a capture or pawn move.

So just premove your ass of and then claim the draw, this is one of the problems with online play. There isn't much that can be done against this, installing a arbitrator bot would probably create more problems than it solves.

Mr Manic Dragon, thanks for the specification between losing and loosing.
English is absolutly not my primary language, in fact, it is my third.

And Im sorry if you or someone else, were not in the capacity to understand that message because of this.

I am really disapointed about the reaction you have and what I found here.
My comments is not about points, its about respecting the game and the opponents.
So please relax in your purpose when you say suck it out.
Maybe I touch a sensible string regarding your style of play.

Let's make a 30 sec blitz where the goal is to play fast has we can to win on the clock.

Lets promote the faster clicker, the champion of the world.
Forget about all the theories, just click.

What would it look if the next champion of the world win by disagree to a perpetual check for 10minutes?

Does that sound ridiculous to you? If not I just can say : WOW.

Tricklev your are probably right about a bot, Thats why I posted that message, to intend to sensibilize people of that type of playing.

I cant paste examples...
Forget it.

Could be he was trying to say he had a loose definition of draw.

It would explain a few things....

 I am admittently a horrible bullet player. If you look at my profile my bullet rating is 1300 or something like that. I noticed long ago that I am simply a naturally slow chess player, so I made the observation that maniacdragon is giving you as a suggestion. I simply USED LONGER TIME CONTROLLS I even added increments for good measure. As of now I play usually 11 minutes with 4 seconds increment and my blitz rating isin't bad at all and the best part about the whole thing is, I actually get to think before making a move and when I do happen to lose I don't blame it on time.

You could also opt to play longer games or use an increment.  Time management is an important aspect of this game -- you should think of a time deficit in much the same way you would a material or positional one.

Sage advice indeed....

I really understand where you're coming from, Mariusbyrd.

The rules of chess seem to assume decency and mutual respect of the opponents, so that any ambiguous situations may be resolved with dignity.

In fast-paced anonymous online chess, many of those elements are no longer present.

And so we get situations where both players may reach a completely blocked position which is obviously drawn and instead of agreeing to draw, one player will begin shuffling a piece back and forth because he notices that he has a 0.5 seconds more on his clock.

Some argue that the player with more time should win because he reached the drawn position with 0.5 seconds more. Why then, do Grandmasters agree to draws even with large time disparities on the clocks? Obviously, because they respect each other's playing strengths and concede the correct outcome of the position.

When playing online, I have refused to play out such drawn positions and simply resigned when my opponent did not take my draw offer (often, I would get my draw if I had more time, and rarely get it if I had less time). I realised the position was a draw and that my opponent and I would be shuffling pieces for a few minutes and lost interest in the game.

Some theoretically drawn positions are still interesting to play out! I am referring to boring positions where "progress" can only be made at great cost to either player.

People have come up with some practical ways to fill this void left by the official rules of chess (Schachgeek gave some concrete examples).

Another way is to give a time increment which is longer than the time it takes for any player to make a move and hit the clock. This is in my opinion the best method to fix the problem.

In short: only play with time increments if you are unsure about the character of your opponent.

Don't get yourself into time trouble and you won't have this problem. If they won't agree to the draw, then:

1. See if you can force a repitition draw

2. Make fast moves and they run out of time. If they are going to be a jerk, then beat em at their own game.

If you have less time going into this situation, then you cant blame your opponent