Is intelligence directly related towards skill in chess?

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Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
GiorgiVanDerway wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:

so your saying theres a limit on chess skill? based on intelligence?

Yes

I disagree Someone could be as good as they wanted to at anything

I want to be great at flying without equipments!

Good luck with that try it and then let me know what happens.

I did and it didn't work. From that I conclude that this universe isn't concious based.

well whos fault is that? lol

Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
sapientdust

Don't bring science into this because I garantee you that I know more science than you. Lets compare it to our ratings?  

If you believe in a consious based universe, I doubt it. It's made even less believeable that you also use that belief as an argument. That's religion, not science.

concious theroy is science not realigon 

Using it as a definite argument is however religion.

what do you even know about concious theory?

Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
sapientdust wrote:

So you're saying that the laws of physics don't imply any kind of upper bound on how good could anybody could become at anything?

Or maybe you mean that nobody could actually want to be better at something than they are capable of being.

Ooook mister smarty pants, If we live in a concious based universe then essentially saying atoms are not real but part of what we think them to be. Wouldn't it be fair to say that we could rethink parts of the atoms in our brain to be more abundant or responsive or even adaptive towards the goals of chess but not towards other functions?

If we live in a consious based universe, you should be able to defeat Carlsen if you want to. Try it!

Your entire argument is based on an assumption that shouldn't be assumed. If you want to prove something certainly, you should argue in an arbitrary universe.

our arbitrary universe sucks because we have laws to follow.

Gil-Gandel

@ForegoneMoose:

It's OK, I'm not angry, I'm just an a554hole, and as to looking through old forum posts, it's true I did spend about two minutes finding out who I was dealing with. But which came first, the chicken or the egg? Are there fewer women playing top-flight chess because there aren't the female role-models, or are there fewer role-models because women don't have the ability to play top-flight chess? If women amount to 5% of chessplayers generally, but only 2% of GMs, and are even more under-represented in the top 500 (never mind those with a credible shot at a world title), where's the evidence for equal talent?

Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
GiorgiVanDerway wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:

so your saying theres a limit on chess skill? based on intelligence?

Yes

I disagree Someone could be as good as they wanted to at anything

I want to be great at flying without equipments!

Good luck with that try it and then let me know what happens.

I did and it didn't work. From that I conclude that this universe isn't concious based.

well whos fault is that? lol

That it didn't work? Or that I made the conclusion?

ok well heres an experiment get on top of a chair and jump no dive into the air and see what the result is then tell me what you think about your conclusion and reality

Seraphimity
ludrah wrote:
Seraphimity wrote:

It is interesting though, you would think that a woman by now would have surfaced capable of taking down any current Male Gm's.  Im almost certian they have the natural apptitude I could not fathom how not.  What is it about being the current relavant dominant GM?  What desire or need is required to push someone past the point Clarity and into the chess abyss to reach that Ultra Gm Status..  

A lot more men play chess than women. So, statistically, the best players should also be mostly men.

Then statistically it is only a matter of then before a woman becomes the dominant GM.  My opinion is that the Top GM's of the world are anomolistic and therefore a woman should of surfaced capable of beating every male currently in the top bracket.  One has not.  Personally I don't think there will ever be a Woman in the top slot of chess.  I think the requirements both competatively speaking and sheer depth of understanding of the game of chess are beyond even the most talented of female chess players.  It is simpy counterintuitive to a woman's base nature to dominate this sport.  that just my opinion~

Vanessa_Martinez
Gil-Gandel wrote:

It's OK, I'm not angry, I'm just an a554hole, and as to looking through old forum posts, it's true I did spend about two minutes finding out who I was dealing with. But which came first, the chicken or the egg? Are there fewer women playing top-flight chess because there aren't the female role-models, or are there fewer role-models because women don't have the ability to play top-flight chess? If women amount to 5% of chessplayers generally, but only 2% of GMs, and are even more under-represented in the top 500 (never mind those with a credible shot at a world title), where's the evidence for equal talent?

Ya buddy, i bet I could take on a male GM 

Vanessa_Martinez
Seraphimity wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Seraphimity wrote:

It is interesting though, you would think that a woman by now would have surfaced capable of taking down any current Male Gm's.  Im almost certian they have the natural apptitude I could not fathom how not.  What is it about being the current relavant dominant GM?  What desire or need is required to push someone past the point Clarity and into the chess abyss to reach that Ultra Gm Status..  

A lot more men play chess than women. So, statistically, the best players should also be mostly men.

Then statistically it is only a matter of then before a woman becomes the dominant GM.  My opinion is that the Top GM's of the world are anomolistic and therefore a woman should of surfaced capable of beating every male currently in the top bracket.  One has not.  Personally I don't think there will ever be a Woman in the top slot of chess.  I think the requirements both competatively speaking and sheer depth of understanding of the game of chess are beyond even the most talented of female chess players.  It is simpy counterintuitive to a woman's base nature to dominate this sport.  that just my opinion~

This is not a gender thing its a intelligence thing

Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
GiorgiVanDerway wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:

so your saying theres a limit on chess skill? based on intelligence?

Yes

I disagree Someone could be as good as they wanted to at anything

I want to be great at flying without equipments!

Good luck with that try it and then let me know what happens.

I did and it didn't work. From that I conclude that this universe isn't concious based.

well whos fault is that? lol

That it didn't work? Or that I made the conclusion?

ok well heres an experiment get on top of a chair and jump no dive into the air and see what the result is then tell me what you think about your conclusion and reality

I already concluded that reality did not alter itself to suit my desires.

ok well then that sucks for you of course. 

Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
sapientdust wrote:

So you're saying that the laws of physics don't imply any kind of upper bound on how good could anybody could become at anything?

Or maybe you mean that nobody could actually want to be better at something than they are capable of being.

Ooook mister smarty pants, If we live in a concious based universe then essentially saying atoms are not real but part of what we think them to be. Wouldn't it be fair to say that we could rethink parts of the atoms in our brain to be more abundant or responsive or even adaptive towards the goals of chess but not towards other functions?

If we live in a consious based universe, you should be able to defeat Carlsen if you want to. Try it!

Your entire argument is based on an assumption that shouldn't be assumed. If you want to prove something certainly, you should argue in an arbitrary universe.

our arbitrary universe sucks because we have laws to follow.

So, that you don't like that we have restrictions in the actual universe makes you think that we live in another universe? I'm not following your thought pattern.

You claim that our universe got laws but at the same time is concious based without restrictions.

No im not saying that we live in another universe, im simply saying concious theory supports that we create our own universe.

Crimson_Heart

No.There are children who have dyslexia and they still doing well.

Hyperactive children and austistic children can as well.

Even slow learners as well.

Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
GiorgiVanDerway wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:

so your saying theres a limit on chess skill? based on intelligence?

Yes

I disagree Someone could be as good as they wanted to at anything

I want to be great at flying without equipments!

Good luck with that try it and then let me know what happens.

I did and it didn't work. From that I conclude that this universe isn't concious based.

well whos fault is that? lol

That it didn't work? Or that I made the conclusion?

ok well heres an experiment get on top of a chair and jump no dive into the air and see what the result is then tell me what you think about your conclusion and reality

I already concluded that reality did not alter itself to suit my desires.

ok well then that sucks for you of course. 

Rather, it proves that if the universe is concious based, it's not based on my conciousness.

your concious thinking that your concious isnt in control of the universe but someone else is?

Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
sapientdust wrote:

So you're saying that the laws of physics don't imply any kind of upper bound on how good could anybody could become at anything?

Or maybe you mean that nobody could actually want to be better at something than they are capable of being.

Ooook mister smarty pants, If we live in a concious based universe then essentially saying atoms are not real but part of what we think them to be. Wouldn't it be fair to say that we could rethink parts of the atoms in our brain to be more abundant or responsive or even adaptive towards the goals of chess but not towards other functions?

If we live in a consious based universe, you should be able to defeat Carlsen if you want to. Try it!

Your entire argument is based on an assumption that shouldn't be assumed. If you want to prove something certainly, you should argue in an arbitrary universe.

our arbitrary universe sucks because we have laws to follow.

So, that you don't like that we have restrictions in the actual universe makes you think that we live in another universe? I'm not following your thought pattern.

You claim that our universe got laws but at the same time is concious based without restrictions.

No im not saying that we live in another universe, im simply saying concious theory supports that we create our own universe.

Again, why bring up concious theory? You're not defending the flaws of your argument.

Buddy theres a reason why its called concious Theory

Vanessa_Martinez
Edison_Yew wrote:

No.There are children who have dyslexia and they still doing well.

Hyperactive children and austistic children can as well.

Even slow learners as well.

and its those kind of cases that make me think maybe knowledge has less to do with skill in chess than other things.

Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
GiorgiVanDerway wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:

so your saying theres a limit on chess skill? based on intelligence?

Yes

I disagree Someone could be as good as they wanted to at anything

I want to be great at flying without equipments!

Good luck with that try it and then let me know what happens.

I did and it didn't work. From that I conclude that this universe isn't concious based.

well whos fault is that? lol

That it didn't work? Or that I made the conclusion?

ok well heres an experiment get on top of a chair and jump no dive into the air and see what the result is then tell me what you think about your conclusion and reality

I already concluded that reality did not alter itself to suit my desires.

ok well then that sucks for you of course. 

Rather, it proves that if the universe is concious based, it's not based on my conciousness.

your concious thinking that your concious isnt in control of the universe but someone else is?

No. My concious is thinking that no one is controling the universe. This is however very much off topic. The point of the test was after all to test your claim that anyone can be as good as they want at anything. I proved that it's a false claim and that's all.

And thats wrong because someone can be as good as they want at anything regardless of intelligence

Vanessa_Martinez
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
ludrah wrote:
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
sapientdust wrote:

So you're saying that the laws of physics don't imply any kind of upper bound on how good could anybody could become at anything?

Or maybe you mean that nobody could actually want to be better at something than they are capable of being.

Ooook mister smarty pants, If we live in a concious based universe then essentially saying atoms are not real but part of what we think them to be. Wouldn't it be fair to say that we could rethink parts of the atoms in our brain to be more abundant or responsive or even adaptive towards the goals of chess but not towards other functions?

If we live in a consious based universe, you should be able to defeat Carlsen if you want to. Try it!

Your entire argument is based on an assumption that shouldn't be assumed. If you want to prove something certainly, you should argue in an arbitrary universe.

our arbitrary universe sucks because we have laws to follow.

So, that you don't like that we have restrictions in the actual universe makes you think that we live in another universe? I'm not following your thought pattern.

You claim that our universe got laws but at the same time is concious based without restrictions.

No im not saying that we live in another universe, im simply saying concious theory supports that we create our own universe.

Again, why bring up concious theory? You're not defending the flaws of your argument.

Buddy theres a reason why its called concious Theory

I agree. It's called theory because it's not suited to be used as an absolute argument.

Thats your opinion, someone can argue that you conciouslly believe in your own thoughts and see them true but in reality someone else or other people can believe differently and then we have a sitoution where whos right?

Seraphimity

The OP's initial statement totally answers itself.  Of course intellegence is going to help you with chess in this reality or the other.  But shear ability to memorize opening lines is not going to gaurntee tactical accumen or the ability to read your advesary.  Ego has alot to do with Chess.  Preparation.  Intellegence and IQ are going to give you a clear edge.  So is intuition.  I don't see intuition as being part of IQ.  I believe some can wield reality and some are just a part of others reality.  It is a competely subjective analysis.  You need brains and to some degree an ability to play to your opponent.  

Vanessa_Martinez

ludrah

Just drop it already, we already know that one guys who said that was wrong. This claim is still a theory but one that I do think is true to an extent.

Vanessa_Martinez
Seraphimity wrote:

The OP's initial statement totally answers itself.  Of course intellegence is going to help you with chess in this reality or the other.  But shear ability to memorize opening lines is not going to gaurntee tactical accumen or the ability to read your advesary.  Ego has alot to do with Chess.  Preparation.  Intellegence and IQ are going to give you a clear edge.  So is intuition.  I don't see intuition as being part of IQ.  I believe some can wield reality and some are just a part of others reality.  It is a competely subjective analysis.  You need brains and to some degree an ability to play to your opponent.  

whats your IQ level?

Seraphimity
Vanessa_Martinez wrote:
Seraphimity wrote:

The OP's initial statement totally answers itself.  Of course intellegence is going to help you with chess in this reality or the other.  But shear ability to memorize opening lines is not going to gaurntee tactical accumen or the ability to read your advesary.  Ego has alot to do with Chess.  Preparation.  Intellegence and IQ are going to give you a clear edge.  So is intuition.  I don't see intuition as being part of IQ.  I believe some can wield reality and some are just a part of others reality.  It is a competely subjective analysis.  You need brains and to some degree an ability to play to your opponent.  

whats your IQ level?

haha, not very high.  My emotional quotient has served me well though.  Why do you ask?

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