Bulldog chess (theory, comments, etc.)

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Didn't HGMuller leave some information about K+G vs. K? Although he doesn't play on these forums, he studies stuff like that. If I remember correctly, this ending depends on piece positions. I think it might also depend on board size (although Bulldog is always 10 x 8).

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Hi, I am looking for an opponent for bulldog chess with guard and siege tower. I can moderate.

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You should ask at (this thread).

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Check out this (it's a new bulldog chess version where white is way better than black, pieces: amazon, chancellor, archbishop, and some new piece that is a combination of knight and guard):

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What evens it out for black? Is it for a strong opponent vs a weak opponent?

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Fly-Eagles-Fly wrote:

What evens it out for black? Is it for a strong opponent vs a weak opponent?

It's between a person (black) knows how to play chess, but randomly moves. 

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I had the following situation in mind:

White to move considers castling. Question: would that be legal?

It might not be legal because the King would pass through g1 where he would be in check.

But then again, it is kind of weird to think of the King being in check on g1. There is a white Bishop on g1, so if the King cannot be on g1 then how can he be in check on g1??

 

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To me that seems pretty clear that castling is not allowed. The king does not need to physically be able to stand on g1 for it to count as an attacked square.

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https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess960-chess-variants/k-g-vs-k

 

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Martin0 wrote:

To me that seems pretty clear that castling is not allowed. The king does not need to physically be able to stand on g1 for it to count as an attacked square.

It's a somewhat paradoxical situation and I understand Martin0. But for me it seems pretty clear that castling is legal here. The bishop on g1 means that the square g1 cannot be threatened, because the black bishop could not beat the king on g1, but only BxBg1 would be possible. Therefore the king can easily go through the transparent bishop to i1. But of course Rj8+ would be more Logical wink.png

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This is how FIDE defines castling:
Castling is prevented temporarily if the square on which the king stands, or the square which it must cross, or the square which it is to occupy, is attacked by one or more of the opponent's pieces.
The square is attacked, that's what matters. So castling is illegal in the position which I gave.

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The name of this topic should be changed to "Bulldog Chess" instead of "Bull Dog Chess".

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Thanks Adorn. You are absolutely right. I fixed it.😊😊😊

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evert823 wrote:

This is how FIDE defines castling:
Castling is prevented temporarily if the square on which the king stands, or the square which it must cross, or the square which it is to occupy, is attacked by one or more of the opponent's pieces.
The square is attacked, that's what matters. So castling is illegal in the position which I gave.

 

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Btw, evert basically invented the witch, or at least introduced the piece in these games. I also agree with the ruling that castling is not allowed in the position shown.

fyi: There is another unusual position with a witch where an en-passant capture can allow two pieces to be captured in a single move! For details please see post #18 in the rules (here).

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In classical chess, the king travels 2 squares with both 0-0 and 0-0-0, never 3 squares. The rook travels 3 squares when castling long, but we are talking about the king here.

In bulldog chess, the king travels 3 squares. No need to be fancy with longer notation. Still 0-0 for castling short, 0-0-0 for castling long.

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Btw, note that the rules for castling have been ammended (after some of the earliest games) to allow for the witch (when the witch is played). I believe it was Martin and evert who lobbied for the rule change. The game rules (here) state this:

Castling:
The rules of castling are similar as in classical chess, however, with the board 10 squares wide, the king travels three squares rather than two. The rook finishes adjacent to the king. All squares between the king and the involved rook must be unoccupied, with the exception of the witch and pieces made transparent by the witch.

An example of castling is below. It shows the king traveling three squares, and passing over the queen made transparent by the witch.

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cool> ill post something else later.

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It is always 3 squares that the king moves when castling.

White 0-0: Kf1-i1, Rj1-h1

White 0-0-0: Kf1-c1, Ra1-d1

Black 0-0: Ke8-b8, Ra8-c8

Black 0-0-0: Ke8-h8, Rj8-g8