Some of us just play much better when we have more time to think about the moves. Many years ago, when I played more seriously, I was rated 2100 USCF, but in the five-minute tournaments my club regularly held I did very poorly, frequently losing to players I handled easily at longer time controls. I guess I'm one of the players OP is complaining about, but I assure you that I would like to be able to spot the good moves quickly, I just don't do so frequently while I can with more time to consider the possibilities.
Anyone else frustrated with people being 400 on blitz/bullet and then end up being 1200 on rapid
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Jun 10, 2022
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I’m another example. 808 Rapid, 236 Blitz. It’s because I don’t like Blitz, have played only 9 games, and have switched almost exclusively to 30 minute Rapid with 939 games. So I improved a good bit on Rapid but Blitz is still about what it was when I started playing. I guess Blitz might now come up if I started playing it, but I don’t like it.
Jun 10, 2022
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I accept that playing Arena exposes me to corruption. It's great, though, when they suddenly think they can make it on their own.
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My blitz way higher than my rapid
hrarray skrev:
My blitz way higher than my rapid
But you have to play Rapid to rank it up. You dont have many Rapid games the latest montg and you have rankef up a lot in Blitz the latest month. We even have played a game versus eachother 😊
i'm 1100 rapid and 650 blitz, it is just the way it is. i dont try to be lower in blitz, it just is.
The thing is, if you do something you are bad at and then try to do it super fast it is no suprise you perfom worse.
so if you are a beginner and want to increase in Blitz you can play Rapid and slower games until you get better at chess and your Blitz rating will go up once you get back to blitz. For example rank up your Rapid to 1500+ and then play Blitz, and now I wouldnt be suprise if you manage to get your Blitz to 1300+.
At a certain point the inverse happens, my blitz and bullet are higher than my rapid and I don't really have intentions of pushing my rapid rating any higher. Encountering cheaters in the rapid pool devalues my enjoyment of it, so for now it's the faster, more enjoyable time controls (imo).
Btw OTB classical is probably the most enjoyable time control of them all, my comment is merely talking about online tc's
some online clubs run well organised longer time control tournaments 45/15 90/45, where there is very little cheating ive encountered. eg Chess Dojo, and the Chess Dojo Training program ($15/month membership).
CooloutAC skrev:
Jimemy wrote:
The thing is, if you do something you are bad at and then try to do it super fast it is no suprise you perfom worse.
so if you are a beginner and want to increase in Blitz you can play Rapid and slower games until you get better at chess and your Blitz rating will go up once you get back to blitz. For example rank up your Rapid to 1500+ and then play Blitz, and now I wouldnt be suprise if you manage to get your Blitz to 1300+.
Once you learn the basics of chess this is no longer true. And sure if a 400 rated player got to to 1500 in rapid of course his blitz will be higher. But he could of done the same just playing blitz. The reason to play rapid is to boost morale, nothing more imo. You still have to study, analyze games and do puzzles.
What is not true? The thing is that if you are newish to chess you don´t know the response or what move to make because you usually lack the experience needed. What I mean is if you are playing blitz on a rating of 500, you might end up in a position very early that you don´t know the best response to and therefore you got to start thinking earlier. The better and more experience you get on chess the more time you can save when playing. At very least in the early part so you can save and use time when you need it. While if you are new to chess but know the basics you might have to start thinking on move 4 because its tricky and you might not have faced it before or know the response to it. Now this will oufcourse happen at higher rating to. I am not saying that. I just say that playing low timecontrol with little experience of chess and no more then the basics of the game can very fast turn in to a blunder party.
CooloutAC skrev:
Jimemy wrote:
The thing is, if you do something you are bad at and then try to do it super fast it is no suprise you perfom worse.
so if you are a beginner and want to increase in Blitz you can play Rapid and slower games until you get better at chess and your Blitz rating will go up once you get back to blitz. For example rank up your Rapid to 1500+ and then play Blitz, and now I wouldnt be suprise if you manage to get your Blitz to 1300+.
Once you learn the basics of chess this is no longer true. And sure if a 400 rated player got to to 1500 in rapid of course his blitz will be higher. But he could of done the same just playing blitz. The reason to play rapid is to boost morale, nothing more imo. You still have to study, analyze games and do puzzles.
Also I missed a part to reply to. The reason to play Rapid over Blitz is that you get more time to think and therefore you will get better faster because when you think in chess you get better in chess while if you play without thinking you will not face the same result. I was stuck at around 1300 in Blitz but I went to Rapid to give me more time to think and also did dailys. So then I could play with more time to think and analyse the game and there my skill of chess increased and now when I went back to Blitz I could stay at 1600 level. My most played time control is Blitz and I have the most fun playing it but it is not the best time control if you want to learn as much as possible for the time you invest.
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Jimemy wrote:
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Jimemy wrote:
The thing is, if you do something you are bad at and then try to do it super fast it is no suprise you perfom worse.
so if you are a beginner and want to increase in Blitz you can play Rapid and slower games until you get better at chess and your Blitz rating will go up once you get back to blitz. For example rank up your Rapid to 1500+ and then play Blitz, and now I wouldnt be suprise if you manage to get your Blitz to 1300+.
Once you learn the basics of chess this is no longer true. And sure if a 400 rated player got to to 1500 in rapid of course his blitz will be higher. But he could of done the same just playing blitz. The reason to play rapid is to boost morale, nothing more imo. You still have to study, analyze games and do puzzles.
What is not true? The thing is that if you are newish to chess you don´t know the response or what move to make because you usually lack the experience needed. What I mean is if you are playing blitz on a rating of 500, you might end up in a position very early that you don´t know the best response to and therefore you got to start thinking earlier. The better and more experience you get on chess the more time you can save when playing. At very least in the early part so you can save and use time when you need it. While if you are new to chess but know the basics you might have to start thinking on move 4 because its tricky and you might not have faced it before or know the response to it. Now this will oufcourse happen at higher rating to. I am not saying that. I just say that playing low timecontrol with little experience of chess and no more then the basics of the game can very fast turn in to a blunder party.
Like this thread has been discussing the majority of players have higher ratings in rapid. Beginners are recommended to play longer time controls to ease their frustration of being low rated in blitz. But playing longer time controls won't make you better at blitz once you have already learned the basics of chess imo. Analyzing, studying and doing practice exercises can be done regardless of what time control you take more seriously and you will progress the same.
But if you aspire to be good at blitz, playing longer time controls not only won't necessarily help you but might actually make you worse. Like Levon Aronian says "blitz is not always about finding the correct or best move, its about posing the hardest questions to y our opponent" One must learn to adapt to the shorter time management and apply different strategies. Playing too much classical will dull the exercised skills that are more necessary in blitz such as fast tactical vision and pattern recognition. This is why even the pros train with puzzle rushes.
You can also argue that a beginner would benefit more from playing more endgames in blitz and from the repetition to learn their mistakes if they take the time to analyze.
Yes you will get to play more endgames but then in the endgames in Blitz you will have very little time to think so will you learn that much from the endgames? Thats why I like to mix in some dailys because in dailys you can think and even set up a board to keep thinking on a winning move and all this thinking might even make it so you remmeber the game and position for months after.
and yeah in blitz but also in rapid if you for example play 10+0 you sometimes get to do moves that you wouldnt have didnt have done if your opponent wasnt low on time. Because if your opponent have like 4 seconds left and move a makes a draw but move b is a bad move but keep the game going, you can go for move b just to keep the game alive so you can win. This is not only in blitz because even in rapid you get to flag people but it happens less oufcourse since both have more time from start.
And for me I prefer no increment because its very fun and it adds a lot of preasure and make games very fun.
CooloutAC skrev:
Jimemy wrote:
CooloutAC skrev:
Jimemy wrote:
CooloutAC skrev:
Jimemy wrote:
The thing is, if you do something you are bad at and then try to do it super fast it is no suprise you perfom worse.
so if you are a beginner and want to increase in Blitz you can play Rapid and slower games until you get better at chess and your Blitz rating will go up once you get back to blitz. For example rank up your Rapid to 1500+ and then play Blitz, and now I wouldnt be suprise if you manage to get your Blitz to 1300+.
Once you learn the basics of chess this is no longer true. And sure if a 400 rated player got to to 1500 in rapid of course his blitz will be higher. But he could of done the same just playing blitz. The reason to play rapid is to boost morale, nothing more imo. You still have to study, analyze games and do puzzles.
What is not true? The thing is that if you are newish to chess you don´t know the response or what move to make because you usually lack the experience needed. What I mean is if you are playing blitz on a rating of 500, you might end up in a position very early that you don´t know the best response to and therefore you got to start thinking earlier. The better and more experience you get on chess the more time you can save when playing. At very least in the early part so you can save and use time when you need it. While if you are new to chess but know the basics you might have to start thinking on move 4 because its tricky and you might not have faced it before or know the response to it. Now this will oufcourse happen at higher rating to. I am not saying that. I just say that playing low timecontrol with little experience of chess and no more then the basics of the game can very fast turn in to a blunder party.
Like this thread has been discussing the majority of players have higher ratings in rapid. Beginners are recommended to play longer time controls to ease their frustration of being low rated in blitz. But playing longer time controls won't make you better at blitz once you have already learned the basics of chess imo. Analyzing, studying and doing practice exercises can be done regardless of what time control you take more seriously and you will progress the same.
But if you aspire to be good at blitz, playing longer time controls not only won't necessarily help you but might actually make you worse. Like Levon Aronian says "blitz is not always about finding the correct or best move, its about posing the hardest questions to y our opponent" One must learn to adapt to the shorter time management and apply different strategies. Playing too much classical will dull the exercised skills that are more necessary in blitz such as fast tactical vision and pattern recognition. This is why even the pros train with puzzle rushes.
You can also argue that a beginner would benefit more from playing more endgames in blitz and from the repetition to learn their mistakes if they take the time to analyze.
Yes you will get to play more endgames but then in the endgames in Blitz you will have very little time to think so will you learn that much from the endgames? Thats why I like to mix in some dailys because in dailys you can think and even set up a board to keep thinking on a winning move and all this thinking might even make it so you remmeber the game and position for months after.
and yeah in blitz but also in rapid if you for example play 10+0 you sometimes get to do moves that you wouldnt have didnt have done if your opponent wasnt low on time. Because if your opponent have like 4 seconds left and move a makes a draw but move b is a bad move but keep the game going, you can go for move b just to keep the game alive so you can win. This is not only in blitz because even in rapid you get to flag people but it happens less oufcourse since both have more time from start.
And for me I prefer no increment because its very fun and it adds a lot of preasure and make games very fun.
Absolutely, if you analyze them. And when you do it so much that it becomes second nature to you, well then you have achieved your goal at improving in blitz, in arguably a more effective way then playing slow time controls to feel better about yourself.
Why is your idea that slow games make people feel better about them self?
also analysing is not the only way to learn things. Like I found out a new trick or move in a slower game only because I had more time to think.
But in the end I think you and me have different idea of what is good or effective way to learn from.
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Jimemy wrote:
CooloutAC skrev:
Jimemy wrote:
CooloutAC skrev:
Jimemy wrote:
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Jimemy wrote:
The thing is, if you do something you are bad at and then try to do it super fast it is no suprise you perfom worse.
so if you are a beginner and want to increase in Blitz you can play Rapid and slower games until you get better at chess and your Blitz rating will go up once you get back to blitz. For example rank up your Rapid to 1500+ and then play Blitz, and now I wouldnt be suprise if you manage to get your Blitz to 1300+.
Once you learn the basics of chess this is no longer true. And sure if a 400 rated player got to to 1500 in rapid of course his blitz will be higher. But he could of done the same just playing blitz. The reason to play rapid is to boost morale, nothing more imo. You still have to study, analyze games and do puzzles.
What is not true? The thing is that if you are newish to chess you don´t know the response or what move to make because you usually lack the experience needed. What I mean is if you are playing blitz on a rating of 500, you might end up in a position very early that you don´t know the best response to and therefore you got to start thinking earlier. The better and more experience you get on chess the more time you can save when playing. At very least in the early part so you can save and use time when you need it. While if you are new to chess but know the basics you might have to start thinking on move 4 because its tricky and you might not have faced it before or know the response to it. Now this will oufcourse happen at higher rating to. I am not saying that. I just say that playing low timecontrol with little experience of chess and no more then the basics of the game can very fast turn in to a blunder party.
Like this thread has been discussing the majority of players have higher ratings in rapid. Beginners are recommended to play longer time controls to ease their frustration of being low rated in blitz. But playing longer time controls won't make you better at blitz once you have already learned the basics of chess imo. Analyzing, studying and doing practice exercises can be done regardless of what time control you take more seriously and you will progress the same.
But if you aspire to be good at blitz, playing longer time controls not only won't necessarily help you but might actually make you worse. Like Levon Aronian says "blitz is not always about finding the correct or best move, its about posing the hardest questions to y our opponent" One must learn to adapt to the shorter time management and apply different strategies. Playing too much classical will dull the exercised skills that are more necessary in blitz such as fast tactical vision and pattern recognition. This is why even the pros train with puzzle rushes.
You can also argue that a beginner would benefit more from playing more endgames in blitz and from the repetition to learn their mistakes if they take the time to analyze.
Yes you will get to play more endgames but then in the endgames in Blitz you will have very little time to think so will you learn that much from the endgames? Thats why I like to mix in some dailys because in dailys you can think and even set up a board to keep thinking on a winning move and all this thinking might even make it so you remmeber the game and position for months after.
and yeah in blitz but also in rapid if you for example play 10+0 you sometimes get to do moves that you wouldnt have didnt have done if your opponent wasnt low on time. Because if your opponent have like 4 seconds left and move a makes a draw but move b is a bad move but keep the game going, you can go for move b just to keep the game alive so you can win. This is not only in blitz because even in rapid you get to flag people but it happens less oufcourse since both have more time from start.
And for me I prefer no increment because its very fun and it adds a lot of preasure and make games very fun.
Absolutely, if you analyze them. And when you do it so much that it becomes second nature to you, well then you have achieved your goal at improving in blitz, in arguably a more effective way then playing slow time controls to feel better about yourself.
Why is your idea that slow games make people feel better about them self?
also analysing is not the only way to learn things. Like I found out a new trick or move in a slower game only because I had more time to think.
But in the end I think you and me have different idea of what is good or effective way to learn from.
if you read what i've repeatedly said in every post. It is because the competition is easier in slow games, people have more time to think to make moves, and for these reasons the majority have a much higher rating in rapid then they do in blitz.
Yes I do in deed believing analyzing, studying and practice excercises is a better way to improve then coming up with new tricks by yourself in slow games.
Never said playing slow games instead of analysing. Playing slow games and analyzing.
also the habit. If you play blitz the odds is that higher that you dont analyse and just click next game. Atleast from my exeprience. The faster games I play the less likley I am to analyse it.
i will reply to the rest later, my phone is dying.
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Jimemy wrote:
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Jimemy wrote:
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Jimemy wrote:
CooloutAC skrev:
Jimemy wrote:
CooloutAC skrev:
Jimemy wrote:
The thing is, if you do something you are bad at and then try to do it super fast it is no suprise you perfom worse.
so if you are a beginner and want to increase in Blitz you can play Rapid and slower games until you get better at chess and your Blitz rating will go up once you get back to blitz. For example rank up your Rapid to 1500+ and then play Blitz, and now I wouldnt be suprise if you manage to get your Blitz to 1300+.
Once you learn the basics of chess this is no longer true. And sure if a 400 rated player got to to 1500 in rapid of course his blitz will be higher. But he could of done the same just playing blitz. The reason to play rapid is to boost morale, nothing more imo. You still have to study, analyze games and do puzzles.
What is not true? The thing is that if you are newish to chess you don´t know the response or what move to make because you usually lack the experience needed. What I mean is if you are playing blitz on a rating of 500, you might end up in a position very early that you don´t know the best response to and therefore you got to start thinking earlier. The better and more experience you get on chess the more time you can save when playing. At very least in the early part so you can save and use time when you need it. While if you are new to chess but know the basics you might have to start thinking on move 4 because its tricky and you might not have faced it before or know the response to it. Now this will oufcourse happen at higher rating to. I am not saying that. I just say that playing low timecontrol with little experience of chess and no more then the basics of the game can very fast turn in to a blunder party.
Like this thread has been discussing the majority of players have higher ratings in rapid. Beginners are recommended to play longer time controls to ease their frustration of being low rated in blitz. But playing longer time controls won't make you better at blitz once you have already learned the basics of chess imo. Analyzing, studying and doing practice exercises can be done regardless of what time control you take more seriously and you will progress the same.
But if you aspire to be good at blitz, playing longer time controls not only won't necessarily help you but might actually make you worse. Like Levon Aronian says "blitz is not always about finding the correct or best move, its about posing the hardest questions to y our opponent" One must learn to adapt to the shorter time management and apply different strategies. Playing too much classical will dull the exercised skills that are more necessary in blitz such as fast tactical vision and pattern recognition. This is why even the pros train with puzzle rushes.
You can also argue that a beginner would benefit more from playing more endgames in blitz and from the repetition to learn their mistakes if they take the time to analyze.
Yes you will get to play more endgames but then in the endgames in Blitz you will have very little time to think so will you learn that much from the endgames? Thats why I like to mix in some dailys because in dailys you can think and even set up a board to keep thinking on a winning move and all this thinking might even make it so you remmeber the game and position for months after.
and yeah in blitz but also in rapid if you for example play 10+0 you sometimes get to do moves that you wouldnt have didnt have done if your opponent wasnt low on time. Because if your opponent have like 4 seconds left and move a makes a draw but move b is a bad move but keep the game going, you can go for move b just to keep the game alive so you can win. This is not only in blitz because even in rapid you get to flag people but it happens less oufcourse since both have more time from start.
And for me I prefer no increment because its very fun and it adds a lot of preasure and make games very fun.
Absolutely, if you analyze them. And when you do it so much that it becomes second nature to you, well then you have achieved your goal at improving in blitz, in arguably a more effective way then playing slow time controls to feel better about yourself.
Why is your idea that slow games make people feel better about them self?
also analysing is not the only way to learn things. Like I found out a new trick or move in a slower game only because I had more time to think.
But in the end I think you and me have different idea of what is good or effective way to learn from.
if you read what i've repeatedly said in every post. It is because the competition is easier in slow games, people have more time to think to make moves, and for these reasons the majority have a much higher rating in rapid then they do in blitz.
Yes I do in deed believing analyzing, studying and practice excercises is a better way to improve then coming up with new tricks by yourself in slow games.
Never said playing slow games instead of analysing. Playing slow games and analyzing.
also the habit. If you play blitz the odds is that higher that you dont analyse and just click next game. Atleast from my exeprience. The faster games I play the less likley I am to analyse it.
i will reply to the rest later, my phone is dying.
thats true, I do the same, but I tend to analyze multiple games in a row after I played a bunch. What I have noticed personally is that after playing more 30 min games since buying my e-board, I have gotten much much worse at blitz. drastically so.
I think its a total myth when i hear those in the community, especially older players, who encourage noobs to play classical to get better at blitz. To me that contradicts human nature. Each time control has different ratings for a reason, They are simply not the same.
And when I hear older players, even Kasparov, saying classical is how you judge real chess strength, you can't judge it from blitz. What is he even saying? That he is getting old and not as good as blitz anymore so will disparage it like a hater? Like is the snobby tradition? lol.
But I am 36 and soon 37 and I started to play chess 1.5 year ago.
Yes you might get worse now at blitz or feel like it by playing 30 min game. But I believe longer game is very good for you in the long turn. At low level blitz is kinda a blunderparty its a lot of nonsense. I have even heard Hikauru said at this level you should play bullet because it is just a bunch of random moves and in the end one wins that have more time. I think it was when he was watching xqc playing bullet. And it might be sensitive to hear.
My thinking is that you kinda need to get a stable at chess first. Like when you get to 1300+ you starting to get games where its kinda starting to be played at some kind of strategy level at least some of the games more then just who blunders the least pieces. The thinking is that you got to get to a level where you dont just hang a piece to often before you start to go for faster time control. Because in faster time control you will hang even more pieces because you have less time to think.
I have since start however played a lot of blitz and I will continue to do so because it is fun and I am here to have fun. But to increase in blitz slower games are very good. Because you build the stable game from slower games where you learn strategy and things like that, square controls, bad bishop versus good bishop. When you learn all this things is not to hard to go back to blitz just to update on the blitz skills, moving fast, flagging etc. I think moving fast is something that you can get back to very fast after some practice. But in order to climb high on blitz you also need that positional thinking and knowledge which you don´t really get from just playing fast games. If you get what I mean. Sure it might be people that pick up some of this from fast games to.
My thinking is if you smash blitz you might pick up tricks, how to do non loosing moves fast, how to flag. While positional things it might be easier to pick up in a slower games. And I think you need both for climbing and I think that is the reason why I manage to climb even higher in Blitz from playing more slower games.
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if you read what i've repeatedly said in every post. It is because the competition is easier in slow games, people have more time to think to make moves, and for these reasons the majority have a much higher rating in rapid then they do in blitz.
And now I am home so now I can reply to this also.
"Competition is easier in slow games" I mean it kinda makes sense regarding in this topic or if you compare like 1000 rated rapid versus blitz. But if you instead of looking at rating and number you think if I play "Anton" a guy that is 200 points rated higher then me in blitz and rapid then playing him in rapid or blitz, neither would be easier. For example your mistakes might be less punished in blitz because your opponent has less time to think and also your opponent will do more mistakes to. While in Rapid your opponent will have more time to punish your mistakes and it makes less room for you being able to get away with a mistake. I even made a topic about this comparing Rapid to Daily. Because I find it harder to climb in daily then Rapid because when you take away the time limit to think it can be very hard to beat your opponent because he can think for 4 hour trying to find the best response for a move.
So I find it easier to win in blitz then rapid because usually I have to think less to win in blitz then in rapid. Blitz I can play more on instinct. But if you stare at the numbers you might say competition is easier in Rapid because I am 1700 there while only 1600 in blitz.
What I am kinda trying to say is that you shouldn't really compare numbers between time controls to much, as you shouldn't compare puzzle rating to rapid rating either. You can do that but don't expect the numbers to be the same. What I am trying to say is that 1600 rating in blitz is not the same as 1600 in Rapid and its not the same as 1600 in puzzle. The rating numbers don't seem to be balanced that way, Like Hikaru is like 2800 in Rapid and 3200 in Blitz. I don't think you could say its because the blitz is easier, just that the numbers will not add up. Also a factor is that you can flag people more easily in blitz then rapid which can turn a Rapid draw into a Blitz win.
Jun 16, 2022
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CooloutAC wrote:
if you read what i've repeatedly said in every post. It is because the competition is easier in slow games, people have more time to think to make moves, and for these reasons the majority have a much higher rating in rapid then they do in blitz.
That doesn't make much sense. It's certainly true that with more time to think players will make better moves, but how does that make for higher ratings? Your opponent will also have time to think up better moves. And if the majority are playing better in rapid, how can you beat them so often that you obtain a much higher rating?
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