CMNiemann banned for “Abuse”

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magipi
Martin_Stahl wrote:
magipi wrote:

Martin, what is the point of peacefully chatting with an abusive troll? The guy violated the TOS at least a dozen times in this thread, a moderator is present, and doing absolutely nothing.

Trying to inject some facts into the discussion.

With a couple of borderline posts, I don't feel that it's quite made it to needing moderation.

There is no "discussion". There is a troll with a throwaway troll account who repeatedly abuses moderators, staff, and everyone who talks some sense. I see absolutely nothing borderline, I see clear violation of TOS again and again.

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
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FIDEPhantom wrote:
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FIDEPhantom wrote:
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FIDEPhantom wrote:
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FIDEPhantom wrote:
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FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:

comment on your titled account. cmon, i want to see your "godlike power" as a "titled player".
or make some lame excuse that this is your private account and move on, knowing full well that nothing will come of this.

Well, if I'm using an anonymous account, unfortunately, I can't do that, as the TOS doesn't allow me. However, if you're telling the truth, staff members will be able to see that you made a request and that the account belongs to you. It's the same for anonymous accounts of GMs or other titled members. So, if you think I'm lying, feel free to report me. They keep track of those, just like mine.

you're giving me second hand embarrasment man. seriously? reporting me on a baseless accusation? incredible. i dont care what title you may have, i hope once they tell you that that is, in fact, my account, you come back here and apologize to me. ill bet that my account wont receive any punishment in that regard. though i may get muted for contributing to veering this forum off topic.

You can calm down, i'm not the one that will ban you, they will check if what you say it's true, which i doubt. I will just wait for the red flair to appear on your account.

smh man. smh. what are you basing my not owning that account? what did i say that made you think that. and you changed the reason you were reporting me. first it was because you thought a 2nd account wasnt allowed at all, now its because you dont think the account is mine? you're just trying to get me banned out of pettiness because of a simple discussion. ridiculous. hope someone finds the humor in this

Whether you own that account or not, the question is whether you have asked for permission to have it, which you didn't, right? You are not permitted to have second accounts unless you're a titled player. They don't allow that due to cheating concerns. If you had gone through the process, you would know this, but you didn't. So, it's obvious why you're so adamant about it.

ive gone through the process, i recieved the email sometime in 2023, and cant find it because of the clutter that is my gmail. and are you dense??? you've literally seen it yourself, any chess.com player can have two accounts. you arent special because youre a titled player, we all can make two accounts and verify them within 3 days. if i do get banned, ill contest and ask that they close the other account, but i wont, because i have done nothing to cheat with that account, nor have i touched it in the last 2 years. they are linked, so maybe thats why it stayed up so long

Do you think Chess.com is spying on random players on the website? They can't know about a second account unless you specifically inform them. That's the reason for the form, they need access to check if you're viewing your matches as a spectator and seeing the evaluation bar. That's why it's extremely bannable to have one without asking for permission.

and yet you have no base to prove that i didnt sign up for a 2nd account. and even a mod is siding with me. theyve been on this site practically since its birth, so dont you think they know more than some rando titled player?

what does Martin know about your request? He doesn't have any power for that.

siding with me in terms of rules, since you dont seem to know them very well. im not referring to the request but rather how hes siding with me on "all players can have two accounts."
hows the report going? dont feel very banned...

You can theoretically have a second account, but you can't because they don't approve member requests. You probably don't even know how this process works; they don't just say 'ok, do it,' they require you to do things beforehand. You keep saying 'I received the email,' but you don’t get an email for that.

but you literally do. heres the process i went through: i made my first account, then made my second (which i believe is the one im currently on now) account a year-ish later with my 2nd gmail. i then contacted support on my first account, told them that i wanted to link my accounts, and 1-3 days later, it was accepted. it was fairly simple. im pretty sure my main account got an email, but i dont remember which gmail i provided for my first account. ill check tomorrow. maybe because you're (supposedly) a titled player, its different for you, but for me it was as easy as saying ohhh heres my second account: [insert info and gmail of 2nd account] and i got it. martin stated earlier that i should've gotten an email, so that negates your claim that "you don't get an email for that".
keep making your false accusations.

edit: i believe i did it on a form that had like "name & email of 1st account" and the same thing for the second account, and then they send you some confirmation email, but that was about 2 years ago so i can't remember clearly.

RonaldJosephCote

Well this turned out to be an interesting thread. meh Someone pretending to be a titled player started a thread which got taken down. Now, someone else, pretending to be someone else wants to know why. Half a dozen of you are jumping all over Martin, and from what I can see, all he's trying to do is help you. surprise I don't care, I don't have a dog in this fight but I am thinking.....even Hollywood can't make this stuff up.

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RonaldJosephCote wrote:

Well this turned out to be an interesting thread. Someone pretending to be a titled player started a thread which got taken down. Now, someone else, pretending to be someone else wants to know why. Half a dozen of you are jumping all over Martin, and from what I can see, all he's trying to do is help you. I don't care, I don't have a dog in this fight but I am thinking.....even Hollywood can't make this stuff up.

honestly hilarious in retrospect

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FIDEPhantom wrote:
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FIDEPhantom wrote:
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FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:

comment on your titled account. cmon, i want to see your "godlike power" as a "titled player".
or make some lame excuse that this is your private account and move on, knowing full well that nothing will come of this.

Well, if I'm using an anonymous account, unfortunately, I can't do that, as the TOS doesn't allow me. However, if you're telling the truth, staff members will be able to see that you made a request and that the account belongs to you. It's the same for anonymous accounts of GMs or other titled members. So, if you think I'm lying, feel free to report me. They keep track of those, just like mine.

you're giving me second hand embarrasment man. seriously? reporting me on a baseless accusation? incredible. i dont care what title you may have, i hope once they tell you that that is, in fact, my account, you come back here and apologize to me. ill bet that my account wont receive any punishment in that regard. though i may get muted for contributing to veering this forum off topic.

You can calm down, i'm not the one that will ban you, they will check if what you say it's true, which i doubt. I will just wait for the red flair to appear on your account.

smh man. smh. what are you basing my not owning that account? what did i say that made you think that. and you changed the reason you were reporting me. first it was because you thought a 2nd account wasnt allowed at all, now its because you dont think the account is mine? you're just trying to get me banned out of pettiness because of a simple discussion. ridiculous. hope someone finds the humor in this

Whether you own that account or not, the question is whether you have asked for permission to have it, which you didn't, right? You are not permitted to have second accounts unless you're a titled player. They don't allow that due to cheating concerns. If you had gone through the process, you would know this, but you didn't. So, it's obvious why you're so adamant about it.

ive gone through the process, i recieved the email sometime in 2023, and cant find it because of the clutter that is my gmail. and are you dense??? you've literally seen it yourself, any chess.com player can have two accounts. you arent special because youre a titled player, we all can make two accounts and verify them within 3 days. if i do get banned, ill contest and ask that they close the other account, but i wont, because i have done nothing to cheat with that account, nor have i touched it in the last 2 years. they are linked, so maybe thats why it stayed up so long

Do you think Chess.com is spying on random players on the website? They can't know about a second account unless you specifically inform them. That's the reason for the form, they need access to check if you're viewing your matches as a spectator and seeing the evaluation bar. That's why it's extremely bannable to have one without asking for permission.

and yet you have no base to prove that i didnt sign up for a 2nd account. and even a mod is siding with me. theyve been on this site practically since its birth, so dont you think they know more than some rando titled player?

what does Martin know about your request? He doesn't have any power for that.

siding with me in terms of rules, since you dont seem to know them very well. im not referring to the request but rather how hes siding with me on "all players can have two accounts."
hows the report going? dont feel very banned...

You can theoretically have a second account, but you can't because they don't approve member requests. You probably don't even know how this process works; they don't just say 'ok, do it,' they require you to do things beforehand. You keep saying 'I received the email,' but you don’t get an email for that.

but you literally do. heres the process i went through: i made my first account, then made my second (which i believe is the one im currently on now) account a year-ish later with my 2nd gmail. i then contacted support on my first account, told them that i wanted to link my accounts, and 1-3 days later, it was accepted. it was fairly simple. im pretty sure my main account got an email, but i dont remember which gmail i provided for my first account. ill check tomorrow. maybe because you're (supposedly) a titled player, its different for you, but for me it was as easy as saying ohhh heres my second account: [insert info and gmail of 2nd account] and i got it. martin stated earlier that i should've gotten an email, so that negates your claim that "you don't get an email for that".
keep making your false accusations.

edit: i believe i did it on a form that had like "name & email of 1st account" and the same thing for the second account, and then they send you some confirmation email, but that was about 2 years ago so i can't remember clearly.

i will let chess speak for itself.

uhuh. ok. good luck happy.png

HangingPiecesChomper
magipi wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
magipi wrote:

Martin, what is the point of peacefully chatting with an abusive troll? The guy violated the TOS at least a dozen times in this thread, a moderator is present, and doing absolutely nothing.

Trying to inject some facts into the discussion.

With a couple of borderline posts, I don't feel that it's quite made it to needing moderation.

There is no "discussion". There is a troll with a throwaway troll account who repeatedly abuses moderators, staff, and everyone who talks some sense. I see absolutely nothing borderline, I see clear violation of TOS again and again.

so no different than what you do right?

DiogenesDue
HangingPiecesChomper wrote:
magipi wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
magipi wrote:

Martin, what is the point of peacefully chatting with an abusive troll? The guy violated the TOS at least a dozen times in this thread, a moderator is present, and doing absolutely nothing.

Trying to inject some facts into the discussion.

With a couple of borderline posts, I don't feel that it's quite made it to needing moderation.

There is no "discussion". There is a troll with a throwaway troll account who repeatedly abuses moderators, staff, and everyone who talks some sense. I see absolutely nothing borderline, I see clear violation of TOS again and again.

so no different than what you do right?

They don't seem similar at all.

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 FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:
FIDEPhantom wrote:
StandStarter wrote:

comment on your titled account. cmon, i want to see your "godlike power" as a "titled player".
or make some lame excuse that this is your private account and move on, knowing full well that nothing will come of this.

Well, if I'm using an anonymous account, unfortunately, I can't do that, as the TOS doesn't allow me. However, if you're telling the truth, staff members will be able to see that you made a request and that the account belongs to you. It's the same for anonymous accounts of GMs or other titled members. So, if you think I'm lying, feel free to report me. They keep track of those, just like mine.

you're giving me second hand embarrasment man. seriously? reporting me on a baseless accusation? incredible. i dont care what title you may have, i hope once they tell you that that is, in fact, my account, you come back here and apologize to me. ill bet that my account wont receive any punishment in that regard. though i may get muted for contributing to veering this forum off topic.

You can calm down, i'm not the one that will ban you, they will check if what you say it's true, which i doubt. I will just wait for the red flair to appear on your account.

smh man. smh. what are you basing my not owning that account? what did i say that made you think that. and you changed the reason you were reporting me. first it was because you thought a 2nd account wasnt allowed at all, now its because you dont think the account is mine? you're just trying to get me banned out of pettiness because of a simple discussion. ridiculous. hope someone finds the humor in this

Whether you own that account or not, the question is whether you have asked for permission to have it, which you didn't, right? You are not permitted to have second accounts unless you're a titled player. They don't allow that due to cheating concerns. If you had gone through the process, you would know this, but you didn't. So, it's obvious why you're so adamant about it.

ive gone through the process, i recieved the email sometime in 2023, and cant find it because of the clutter that is my gmail. and are you dense??? you've literally seen it yourself, any chess.com player can have two accounts. you arent special because youre a titled player, we all can make two accounts and verify them within 3 days. if i do get banned, ill contest and ask that they close the other account, but i wont, because i have done nothing to cheat with that account, nor have i touched it in the last 2 years. they are linked, so maybe thats why it stayed up so long

Do you think Chess.com is spying on random players on the website? They can't know about a second account unless you specifically inform them. That's the reason for the form, they need access to check if you're viewing your matches as a spectator and seeing the evaluation bar. That's why it's extremely bannable to have one without asking for permission.

and yet you have no base to prove that i didnt sign up for a 2nd account. and even a mod is siding with me. theyve been on this site practically since its birth, so dont you think they know more than some rando titled player?

what does Martin know about your request? He doesn't have any power for that.

siding with me in terms of rules, since you dont seem to know them very well. im not referring to the request but rather how hes siding with me on "all players can have two accounts."
hows the report going? dont feel very banned...

You can theoretically have a second account, but you can't because they don't approve member requests. You probably don't even know how this process works; they don't just say 'ok, do it,' they require you to do things beforehand. You keep saying 'I received the email,' but you don’t get an email for that.

but you literally do. heres the process i went through: i made my first account, then made my second (which i believe is the one im currently on now) account a year-ish later with my 2nd gmail. i then contacted support on my first account, told them that i wanted to link my accounts, and 1-3 days later, it was accepted. it was fairly simple. im pretty sure my main account got an email, but i dont remember which gmail i provided for my first account. ill check tomorrow. maybe because you're (supposedly) a titled player, its different for you, but for me it was as easy as saying ohhh heres my second account: [insert info and gmail of 2nd account] and i got it. martin stated earlier that i should've gotten an email, so that negates your claim that "you don't get an email for that".
keep making your false accusations.

edit: i believe i did it on a form that had like "name & email of 1st account" and the same thing for the second account, and then they send you some confirmation email, but that was about 2 years ago so i can't remember clearly.

i will let chess speak for itself.

chess spoke for itself two years ago. in MY favor

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

There's the problem, when you get people who know how to be extremely abusive in a way that isn't recognised. It isn't a case of people being over-sensitive. It's much more that moderators and staff don't always understand the forms that antisocial messaging and trolling can take. But anyway, thanks for your replies so far, Martin. I've always seen you to be very helpful but there's still the hypothetical issue of staff protecting abusive members. I know you can't do anything about it, even if, hypothetically, it should be the case.

Here's an abusive post that fits the bill...

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/cmniemann-banned-for-abuse?page=7#comment-111694988

To summarize, one poster calls another poster mentally ill (ironically, the latter poster just recently won a vote for having the best threads on OTF by chess.com's current core audience), and the first poster also claims the other poster is 30 points lower than them in IQ without any reason or basis for it.

I do think that members that get muted more than 5 times (by mods, not the auto-bots) should get the heave-ho. The policy of just upping the mute durations is not really working long term as a deterrent.

I have also said many times that the presence of a community manager that posts frequently and sets the tone would improve the forums immensely.

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yes!!! fidephantom is gone

TheMidnightExpress12

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TheMidnightExpress12

R.i.p indeeed

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

Elroch based his entire argument on his insistence that infinity is not a concept. He then proceeded to call me "pathological" and various other choice and well chosen items. He regularly has called me narcissistic and so have you. playerafar does it too. I'm not the only victim .... you do it to many others who dare to disagree with either of you. If one is disagreed with, the other will come in to attack.

If either of you think it's ok to try to intimidate people to win arguments, I don't agree. It was not even worth my replying to Elroch, after he insisted that infinity isn't a concept. How can I possibly argue against such a person? Either he doesn't know what he's talking about or something much worse is the matter and I happen to believe that it's the latter. I might have asked "what does he think it is, if not a concept?" However, experience tells me that when he's off the beam he never gets back on too quickly. He's impossible to argue with politely and it's always been the same, with both of you. OK, so neither of you is amazingly bright but that shouldn't be an excuse for what you do. That wasn't a dig but more like an invitation to others to regard the fact that you both argue from authority all the time and can hardly EVER construct a proper argument to support your views.

If you were made forum manager, Dio, that would be pretty amusing. I believe that there would be countless successful law suits against the Company.

I have been a "forum manager", back in the days of EZboard. It was smooth sailing.

Everything you said here is beside the point. You brought your tirade over here, and now you are continuing it. I merely pointed out the irony of complaining about being abusive after being abusive yourself out of the blue on this thread. I (and many others I suspect) have no interest in your thoughts on infinity here, since they do not belong in this thread.

P.S. Since I have not told any other posters they act in ways that seem narcissistic, it really can't be something I am doing all the time. But again, beside the point. Enjoy the rest of your day and do try not to waste any more moderators' time. The forums are not all about you and some imagined crusade you are on.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

If there was a tirade, it was by Elroch on the other thread and I brought it here to complain about him using verbal abuse apparently as a legitimate form of argument.

He had no need to behave in such a foul mouthed manner, simply because I disagree with him over a subject which HE reintroduced, since it should have been over and done with.

Does anybody here care if you think he started something in another thread? Report his posts and you'll find out soon enough if saying "pathological" is going to be considered foul-mouthed or actionable. Again, the irony is that your historically preferred terms for labeling your opponents are demonstrably worse (and I can't type them without getting a red banner, so I won't).

I won't be responding to any further contortions because I don't want to derail this thread. I only came here to point out the hypocrisy. As I said, try to enjoy the rest of your day.

DiogenesDue
Optimissed wrote:

EZboard? I asked you once before whether you know Allan Lundell but you said you didn't. No direct association with EZboard but EZboard fouled up in a number of different ways, didn't it? It was quite important at one time. However, I was surprised you didn't know him. Ex bf of my Canadian ex wife, previous to my meeting her.

This is also a topic that doesn't need to be discussed in detail here.

RonaldJosephCote

" but there are users like @RonaldJosephCote, who seem to think their only purpose on this platform is to go around picking arguments with others, then cry to the mods when things don't go their way". No true.....the only time I go to the mods is when "idiotbox" shows up.

magipi
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

" but there are users like @RonaldJosephCote, who seem to think their only purpose on this platform is to go around picking arguments with others, then cry to the mods when things don't go their way". No true.....the only time I go to the mods is when "idiotbox" shows up.

Don't feed the troll. Report. That's the only reasonable way.

RonaldJosephCote

I don't have to report him......he reported himself. tongue

magipi
RonaldJosephCote wrote:

I don't have to report him......he reported himself.

I don't even know what that is all about. Does it matter what his old account name was or wasn't?

RonaldJosephCote

It's an indication....to my surprise.....of how forgiving chess.com is. They knew you were angry about getting laid off.

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