Its called manipulating the system.
Players with 5000+ tactics rating?
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LittlePawn988 wrote:
I don't know how players who are not even NM can have a 5000+ or even 6000 tactics rating. I mean, even GM fail to solve some puzzles here, while these people only got like 3-4 tactics wrong? And their live rating sometimes isn't even 1600 , so how is this possible?
The leader is an 8 year old kid who happens to be the youngest expert in the country.
https://new.uschess.org/news/meet-abhimanyu-mishra-our-youngest-ever-us-chess-expert/
https://www.chess.com/stats/tactics/Abhimanyu_Mishra2
/ Be afraid. Be very afraid.
So what? Are you really telling me that an 8 year old is tactically much stronger than a GM or even an IM? That's just unbelievable.
LittlePawn988 wrote:
So what? Are you really telling me that an 8 year old is tactically much stronger than a GM or even an IM? That's just unbelievable.
No, it's not an ELO rating. It doesn't mean he can beat IM's or GM's.
It probably means that he has memorized many or most of the problems.
We will see what it means to his actual OTB rating in the next few years.
First I thought there was some cheating going on, but some of the top guys do fail tactics now and then.
Instead, the problem is that you gain a point every time you get a tactic right. Some people have memorized all the hard ones, and keep doing 100-200 a day.
Some other tactics trainers use fractional ratings, and if you are slow or too high rated your rating increases with a fractional score (like 0.01 points, or even less).
Well, even memorizing the problems is not very sound, there are like thousands of them, right? Can they memorize all of them?
Feb 8, 2017
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yeah there was an advertisement for tactics trainer that said it has like thousands of tactics, altho i forgot how many thousand
but yeah, those ppl just fail them and remember them and eventually they can get all of them right, altho in a game there are way too many specific patterns to memorize, so these players that just memorize them r pretty bad and weak
Feb 8, 2017
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they should adjust the rating system so if u get a duplicate tactic right u get no points, or something like that
Feb 8, 2017
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Modifying the number of points you get for a 2nd or third right answer on the same tactic makes sense. I wish you could put it in "new tactic mode" where you only see new tactics, regardless of rating.
Princess_Fleta ha scritto:
That's the peoblem, their failing rate is incredibly low, like 3-4%, how did they got right even the most difficult puzzles on the first try? I'm talking about 6+ moves puzzles that even GMs fail to solve, isn't that a bit strange?
yeah there was an advertisement for tactics trainer that said it has like thousands of tactics, altho i forgot how many thousand
but yeah, those ppl just fail them and remember them and eventually they can get all of them right, altho in a game there are way too many specific patterns to memorize, so these players that just memorize them r pretty bad and weak
Feb 9, 2017
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LittlePawn988 wrote:
Princess_Fleta ha scritto:
yeah there was an advertisement for tactics trainer that said it has like thousands of tactics, altho i forgot how many thousand
but yeah, those ppl just fail them and remember them and eventually they can get all of them right, altho in a game there are way too many specific patterns to memorize, so these players that just memorize them r pretty bad and weak
That's the peoblem, their failing rate is incredibly low, like 3-4%, how did they got right even the most difficult puzzles on the first try? I'm talking about 6+ moves puzzles that even GMs fail to solve, isn't that a bit strange?
they failed all the tactics at first bc they're not that good, memorized them, then clicked the reset button and got all of them right! i think it's something like that
there shouldn't be a reset button, it's stupid
Feb 9, 2017
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They are not as proficient at tactics as their rating indicates, but it would be wrong to say they are weak players. Even if they reached their current rating by simply memorizing all the problems, that would likely be a very instructive process and the individuals atop the leaderboard generally have decent game strength ratings.
An alternative would be to use an engine to solve the puzzles.
Feb 9, 2017
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LittlePawn988 wrote:
Well, even memorizing the problems is not very sound, there are like thousands of them, right? Can they memorize all of them?
I suspect there's a much smaller number of problems with a very high rating, and they get to know those really well.
Feb 9, 2017
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ilikewindmills wrote:
Actually, there's only 5 different problems.
Put up $5/mo for a minimum paid membership and get 25 different puzzles per day. Other memberships are available that allow unlimited tactics. I Purposely limited myself to the minimum membership. Otherwise I wouldn't do anything BUT tactics puzzles! I'd never get anything done.
Feb 9, 2017
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in what way does 5000+ tactics prove your skill,take a second,i'm pretty certain no tactic level surpasses 3500 difficulty,as that is the max rating,so 5000+ tactics rating is very much inaccurate and just a constant wave of 3000 rated tactics,or they could hack the system.
DR_Jesus123 wrote:
in what way does 5000+ tactics prove your skill,take a second,i'm pretty certain no tactic level surpasses 3500 difficulty,as that is the max rating,so 5000+ tactics rating is very much inaccurate and just a constant wave of 3000 rated tactics,or they could hack the system.
It doesn't measure or prove anything. It just proves obsession. And some people can do a lot of things to be #1 in something.
Afaik the highest rated tactics are around 3100-3200.
I don't know how players who are not even NM can have a 5000+ or even 6000 tactics rating. I mean, even GM fail to solve some puzzles here, while these people only got like 3-4 tactics wrong? And their live rating sometimes isn't even 1600 , so how is this possible?