why are you posting here kco if you're only interested in discussing chess ONLY on this site?
Funny, I could swear I've seen you made a zillion non chess related comments in the past on various non chess related forums :p
RIP Steve Jobs! (take two)
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Oct 6, 2011
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#23
teocaf wrote:
kco wrote:
sorry to hear that he has past away, but what has he got to do with chess ?
well for one, every mac i got came with a chess program on it that was pretty tough to beat. sure beats solitaire ;)
from one mac lover to another.. good answer ;)
Oct 6, 2011
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theoreticalboy wrote:
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
^yup. I expected it though. You know it's funny how life is. All I heard about Jobs when he was alive was bad stuff. That he had a "draconian" bussiness attitude. That apple treated it's employees like slaves. That he wanted to monopolize bussiness and neutralize all competition through lawsuits.
He suddenly dies,and he is the greatest innovator and free thinker of all time?..two faced people. The time to appreciate the man was when he was here.
+1
This cult of the individual is getting out of hand. I don't care about Jobs and his closed-source, fake-identity crafting products. Sucks to be his family, but the way people are talking about him, it's like Gandhi died, or someone who had an impact on society more lasting and worthwhile than feeding our sick society's desire for shiny things.
Well if he hasn't had any awakenings before he died and decided to leave a large whack of his squillians to charity I will be very disgusted.
Oct 6, 2011
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#26
kco wrote:
if I made non chess related topic, they would be in the off topic section.
you're a sad soul aren't you to love to find little insignificant issues to pick on.
Also the iphone is great for playing chess? ;)
He's well within his rights to pass down his money anyway he see fits, of course. The Rockefeller's did that of course; it didn't negate the fact that the family fortune was made in disgustingrobber baron fashion.
Oct 6, 2011
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#28
just because you give honor where honor is due does not mean that you are worshipping
The man. if you were a student of history, you would know that it was individuals affecting
And changing their present conditions who made an impact on society and changed the world,
Not random events that all of a sudden came together spontaneously...Jobs was a visionary
Who helped create products that did help mankind, whether it was for entertainment,
Communications or doing business more efficiently. You can deny it all you want and use
Your trusty abacus, but it doesn't change the facts...
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Ronliv wrote:
just because you give honor where honor is due does not mean that you are worshipping The man. if you were a student of history, you would know that it was individuals affecting And changing their present conditions who made an impact on society and changed the world, Not random events that all of a sudden came together spontaneously...Jobs was a visionary Who helped create products that did help mankind, whether it was for entertainment, Communications or doing business more efficiently. You can deny it all you want and use Your trusty abacus, but it doesn't change the facts...
Men make history, but history makes men. Your idea that individuals are the sole driving force behind historical events is laughable.
You know what, Jobs doesn't seem as bad as the rest of them, but anytime you find a product with the "Made in China" sticker, you know what to expect. Don't fool yourself into thinking the man was all roses. And don't fool yourself into thinking that Apple products have managed to "help mankind;" that is to say, anymore than an already affluent, tiny percentage of mankind. Jobs's statements about living life to its fullest betray his comfortable roots; they are nothing but empty platitudes for those who find existence a constant struggle to survive.
Oct 6, 2011
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#31
most people throw around that 'robber baron' phrase around without having any idea as to
What it's origins are and what it means. Just to make it simple for you, it's used by those
Who are envious of those who make a profit on an idea or product that many people
Obviously want or they wouldn't buy it. those working for the owners of companies are
There by their free will. Working conditions Were bad in industries just beginning in the
Industrial Age from the Agricultural One. That's where unions played their part, but now
As things have gotten better and employers take care of their employees now more than
Ever out of self-interest---if you have happy employees, they will take care of the customer--
Unions for the most part have become corrupt and outlived their usefulness...
Dude, I know who the Robber Barons were, don't insult me. And your sunny "employers are taking care of everyone!" outlook is completely contradicted by all available statistics.
BTW, this is straying heavily into politics, so we ought to stop, as the powers-that-be will be angry.
Oct 6, 2011
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#33
Theoretical boy...you are living up to your name again. You should do a little homework before
You spout about things you don't know about. Most people who have created anything of
Value cars, light bulb, phonograph, Walmart, the list is too long...have come from humble
Beginnings...that is a fact, and if that makes you feel uncomfortable then so be it...if you did
A little research you would laugh at how ignorant you once were.
Oct 6, 2011
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#34
You will only become insulted or angry if all you can do is call me dude and can't make a reasonable argument based on fact and logic, not your uncontrollable emotions...
you are playing chess on your computer and ask what Steve Job has to do with chess.com. Duh, Homer
Oct 6, 2011
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#37
1pawndown wrote:
you are playing chess on your computer and ask what Steve Job has to do with chess.com. Duh, Homer
hehe *claps*...
Ronliv wrote:
most people throw around that 'robber baron' phrase around without having any idea as to What it's origins are and what it means. Just to make it simple for you, it used by those Who are envious of those who make a profit on an idea or product that many people Obviously want or they wouldn't buy it. those working for the owners of companies are There by their free will. Working conditions Were bad in industries just beginning in the Industrial Age from the Agricultural One. That's where unions played their part, but now As things have gotten better and employers take care of their employees now more than Ever out of self-interest---if you have happy employees, they will take care of the customer-- Unions for the most part have become corrupt and outlived their usefulness...
I honor the achievements of Steve Jobs and Sam Walton, Henry Ford, etc., but if you think workers don't need some kind of organization to protect them from their employers, you need to pay closer attention.
Oct 6, 2011
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#39
there's a false notion that the employer is the enemy. There are already laws on the books as to how an employer is to treat employees. In the private sector less and less employees are represented by unions. Unions have only grown in the public sector. if you did a little research
You would understand why. there is a reason for this trend, and you know there is a problem when public sector employees start making more than private sector employees. Public sector employees can only be sustained by taxes...of course we need the police and firemen, but something is wrong also when they can retire at 50 with full benefits and usually out-live the
Contributions they put in and are young enough to start another career in another public
sector job.
^yup. I expected it though. You know it's funny how life is. All I heard about Jobs when he was alive was bad stuff. That he had a "draconian" bussiness attitude. That apple treated it's employees like slaves. That he wanted to monopolize bussiness and neutralize all competition through lawsuits.
He suddenly dies,and he is the greatest innovator and free thinker of all time?..two faced people. The time to appreciate the man was when he was here.
+1
This cult of the individual is getting out of hand. I don't care about Jobs and his closed-source, fake-identity crafting products. Sucks to be his family, but the way people are talking about him, it's like Gandhi died, or someone who had an impact on society more lasting and worthwhile than feeding our sick society's desire for shiny things.