The Unacceptable Flaw with Chess.com: Use of Game Explorer/DB in Vote/Turn Chess

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PeterB1517

 

OK I can't quote using the crappy android chess app. And where's the update to kindle?? so I'll just respond.

toiyabe
PeterB1517 wrote:

I just addressed it. It gives you 3600 class moves on the Elo scale since 4000 doesn't exist opening moves for move 1, 2, 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 at least. So you end up in position you don't understand. at least on move 13, you're not checkmated, down material, way down in development, or have made any other serious mistakes. Bad players like most of us are supposed to lose in the opening. We are supposed to not really know most of the opening we are forced to play. That is the game. If you want to be a master, devote hours a day to chess including an hour a day studying various opens. That is how it is supposed to be done. And you are all reacting this way cause you are so beholden to your crutch, and tied to your lies about why it is OK, but using an engine is bad.

1)3600 class moves doesn't even make sense.  

2)Openings aren't that complicated.  Even in OTB situations, around class C'ish players know their openings...its called a repertoire.  

3)Engines aren't bad, only when used in a format where they aren't allowed.  You don't get what rules are, do you?  

Captain_Coconut

If the quote function doesn't work, you can just copy/paste with quotes or "X said:" or whatever.

PeterB1517

Anyway, I said in my guide:

"

Using the GE to Match Your Style of Play
If you are just playing moves out of the GE without any comprehension, then a) you will not get better at chess; and b) you will end up in middlegames that do not feel natural or comfortable for you.  For example, you may be a player that prefers a slow, manuevering game, but end up with a wild, tactical game or vice-versa.  Therefore, in choosing a CM, you should choose a CM that you understand, and is similar to a move you would play if you were not using the GE so that you end up in a game you feel comfortable with."
PeterB1517

Fixing, openings are very complicated, that's why y'all are so adamant about having your crutch to cheat. There are hundreds of opening variations. As black, you have less control over course of game. But I agree you can play a fairly good game with opening principles and normal chess analysis which is what I've been arguing.

toiyabe

Peter, why are you writing a guide for yourself?  Just in case you forget the esoteric incantations needed to unlock the true daemonic potential of the Games Explorer?  

toiyabe
PeterB1517 wrote:

Fixing, openings are very complicated, that's why y'all are so adamant about having your crutch to cheat.

Cheating implies doing something against the rules.  

toiyabe
PeterB1517 wrote:

But I agree you can play a fairly good game with opening principles and normal chess analysis which is what I've been arguing.

Really?  Not a soul has said anything to the contrary.  

PeterB1517

Alex whatever the rest of your name is, what do you believe? You have had smart ass comments. Spell it out. I need to come back to that long comment somebody left analyzing GE, not tube's last comment but few pages back. But Alex, your last comment contradicts what others have said. The only thing y'all agree on is that you should have your crutch and I'm wrong.

PeterB1517

I mean you can play the opening without being provided a list of good moves and associated numbers.

Captain_Coconut
PeterB1517 wrote:

Alex, your last comment contradicts what others have said.

You need to read things more carefully, because he didn't contradict what anyone has said.

toiyabe

It isn't a crutch, the rule exists for practical reasons, something you cannot refute:

1)Correspondence games take days/months/years to finish.

2)99% of us have responsibilities, job/family/etc.  

3)Players often play multiple games at the same time.  

4)If this rule wasn't in place, than all chess study during the course of any ongoing game would be illegal.  

 

End of story.  This cannot be modified, or the format ceases to exist.  

PeterB1517

coconut, I don't agree with your reading comprehension or much about you. He said exact opposite of what you, uri, and other said.

PeterB1517

tubebender, I'm not wrong and I don't care about your chess knowledge or credentials. I have no interest in playing you. This correspondence rule is wrong and at the least a good guide must be published for it.

_Number_6
PeterB1517 wrote:

Fixing, openings are very complicated, ... There are hundreds of opening variations. As black, you have less control over course of game. ...

Peter, are you on medication?

1,327 names variations and no doubt a few thousand unnamed sidelines. You are wrong again.  Are you trying to break an internet record for wrongness?  If chess is too compicated for you, there are thousands of board games out there. Try scrabble.  Words layed out without meaning.  Might suit you.

Openings aren't complicated or hard and both players have control over the game.  That is why it is chess and not bingo. 

Captain_Coconut
PeterB1517 wrote:

coconut, I don't agree with your reading comprehension or much about you. He said exact opposite of what you, uri, and other said.

Oops, I thought you were were responding to something else.

PeterB1517

fixing. Argument is in #4. Addressed to owltunas comment, 597? Rare circumstance where book and position exactly equal. That is your and Owltuna's theory on why rule was adopted but it doesn't necessarily mean CC had to allow reference materials for games. It could have clarified grey situations through rules, guidance and principles. So no, not convincing argument. Anyway, books during months long postal games is way different than 2 day internet turn based games with GE.

PeterB1517

fixing I mean your main argument is in your point 4

PeterB1517

Number, you seem anally focused on details but left out your oversight on move 18 in describing game as equal until end. In any case, if you just have to be rude, then leave thread unchecked as you have threatened but not followed through multiple times.

PeterB1517

That is ridiculous to argue openings are not hard. Oh they are so easy, that's why there are thousands of chess books on them, and most chess players spend the most time studying them, perhaps wrongly. So easy, that you should be very willing to go without the expert guidance of GE.