The United Kingdom, England, Great Britain? Are these three the same place?

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Edit: I know the answer to the question that is the topic subject ... or maybe I just think I do. The question is about flying the flag of the island of Great Britain since Great Britain is not a country.  http://www.enchantedlearning.com/europe/britain/flag.shtml

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The issue of the flags available to members has come up before. For instance many members claim to be from the non-country of Great Britain. The issue is described here 

http://blog.cgpgrey.com/the-difference-between-the-united-kingdom-great-britain-england-and-a-whole-lot-more/ also here  http://www.wimp.com/differencebetween/

... with the amusing introduction "The United Kingdom, England, Great Britain? Are these three the same place? Different places? Do British people secretly laugh at those who use the terms wrongly?"

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The United Kindom's full and official name is the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".

History of the making of the UK

1536 - Act of Union joins England and Wales

1707 - Act of Union unites Scotland and England, together with Wales to form the Kingdom of Great Britain. 

1801 - The Irish Parliament voted to join the Union. The then Kingdom of Great Britain becomes the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. 

1922 - Name changed to United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, when most of the Southern counties in Ireland choose independence.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (commonly known as the United Kingdom, the UK, or Britain) is a soverign state located off the north-western coast of continental Europe. It is an island nation, spanning an archipelago including Great Britian, the northeastern part of the island of Ireland, and many smaller islands. 

England is a country that is part of the United Kindom.  It shares land borders with Scotland to the north and Wales to the west; the Irish Sea is to the north west, the Celtic Sea to the south west and the North Sea to the east, with the English Channel to the south separating it from contiental Europe. Most of England comprises the central and southern part of the island of Great Britian in the North Atlantic.

Great Britain comprises only England, Scotland and Wales.

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MrDurdan wrote:

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Great Britain comprises only England, Scotland and Wales.


Great Britain comprises the majority of England, the majority of Scotland and the majority of Wales. Nitpicking I know, but the islands belonging to, and off the coasts of England, Scotland and Wales are not on the island of Great Britain. (Just as Hawaii is not on the continent of North America.)

Outside of the "area", people probably do not "secretly laugh at those who use the terms wrongly". But in the "area", do British people secretly laugh at those who claim the nationality of the island of Great Britain?

Avatar of NimzoRoy

I want to start playing under a Jolly Roger instead of the Stars & Stripes

Avatar of artfizz

Don't forget your Jersey, it could turn nippy. ...

(Jersey is a separate possession of the Crown and is not part of the United Kingdom.[9] Jersey has an international identity different from that of the UK,[10] although it belongs to the Common Travel Area[11] and the definition of "United Kingdom" in the British Nationality Act 1981 is interpreted as including the UK and the Islands together.[12] )  Oh, you didn't!

p.s. Does anyone know whether we are still subjects?

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Interestingly, or maybe not, only one member of this group Chess.com UK Tournament flies the "flag" of Great Britain.

The oldest and likely the founder, whistleblower.  http://www.chess.com/groups/membersearch.html?id=7433&name=&country=&allnew=&online=&mostactive=&sortby=join_date_asc

Avatar of Gerwin1982

English flag is st. george's cross... white with a red cross, UK flag is the Union Jack we all know and love (judging by the amount of times I've seen the thing on a T-shirt worn by someone definately not from there)

England, Britain and UK are not the same. England is a country which is part of the UK and incidently in Britain, as are Scotland and Wales... Northern Ireland is in the UK but not in Britain, Northern Ireland is in Ireland (I think that's right?)...

Avatar of artfizz

The Macedonian flag seems suspiciously similar to the UK flag (though NOT as similar as the GB one). When will flags be added to the list of banned topics?

Avatar of electricpawn

Tad, dude, all this information is readily available. If you want to be a good chess player, you have to do some research! Smile

Avatar of rooperi

So, who won the war, then?

Avatar of artfizz
echecs06 wrote: Btw, what does this thread have to do with chess?

Chess is played by people. Chess players sometimes organise themselves into teams as a form of competitiveness - on the basis of nationality. There is ambiguity, incompleteness and duplication in the list of countries on chess.com. Hence, the mapping of members to countries is of interest to the chess.com community. ???

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echecs06 wrote:

Btw, what does this thread have to do with chess?


It has to do with the chess.com community where it was posted prior to being moved to off-topic.

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electricpawn wrote:

Tad, dude, all this information is readily available. If you want to be a good chess player, you have to do some research!


"The United Kingdom, England, Great Britain? Are these three the same place?" is the subject of the topic not a question. See post #1.

My question is in post #3. " ...do British people secretly laugh at those who claim the nationality of the island of Great Britain?".

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Here's an article about multi-culturalism in Great Britain and the question of what the Britisn National Identity truly is. A lack of a stong national identity may cause people to identify more strongly with their regional identity, Welsh for example. If this is their motivation for choosing one of their various flags, I'm guessing that they're not laughing at you for not knowing what to make of their different flags. This information only took a few minutes to gather. You could obviously get a better answer if you were more thorough.

hubpages.com/.../What-is-it-with-the-British-national-identity

Avatar of artfizz

If they're [we're] secretly laughing, how would anyone know?

Avatar of razorblade12

Many people in the Chess.com UK Tournament fly the Union Flag not the Union Jack (only when it is flown on a boat is it the Union Jack :P)

And another fact is that the flag should be flown with the larger white section going clockwise and the smaller white section anticlockwise. The opposite way round is a sign of distress.

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TadDude wrote:

The issue of the flags available to members has come up before. For instance many members claim to be from the non-country of Great Britain. The issue is described here 

http://blog.cgpgrey.com/the-difference-between-the-united-kingdom-great-britain-england-and-a-whole-lot-more/ also here  http://www.wimp.com/differencebetween/

... with the amusing introduction "The United Kingdom, England, Great Britain? Are these three the same place? Different places? Do British people secretly laugh at those who use the terms wrongly?"


Hi TadDude! I recently stumbled upon this video on yt which explains the construction of The Crown, UK etc. The guy is talking a bit too fast but its a very good presentation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

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artfizz wrote:

Don't forget your Jersey, it could turn nippy. ...

(Jersey is a separate possession of the Crown and is not part of the United Kingdom.[9] Jersey has an international identity different from that of the UK,[10] although it belongs to the Common Travel Area[11] and the definition of "United Kingdom" in the British Nationality Act 1981 is interpreted as including the UK and the Islands together.[12] )  Oh, you didn't!

p.s. Does anyone know whether we are still subjects?


Would you be willing to take back New Jersey?

Avatar of MAttos_12

Our nationality is down as British on the old passport

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TheMouse wrote:
TadDude wrote:

the islands belonging to, and off the coasts of England,are not on the island of Great Britain.


I live on the Isle of Wight, and I live in Great Britain.


It is all so confusing but true. You live on the Isle of Wight in geographical terms and Great Britain in political terms. You do not live on the island of Great Britain.

If this is to be believed. "Great Britain is a political term which describes the combination of England, Scotland, and Wales, the three nations which together include all the land on the island. It is also a geographical term referring to the island on which the greater parts of England, Wales and Scotland are situated.".

Reference: http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/questions/britain/britain.htm