"Never resign"....ROTFL....I had a good laugh at that.
We don't need no stinking "Resign" button!!
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Sep 11, 2008
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#23
Does anyone else feel like this is a tad bit silly? If you want to resign, that is most certainly your right. If you want to play it out to the bitter end, that's cool too. Personally, I don't like playing lost positions. I feel like I'm wasting my time just to give my opponents some endgame practice. But if my opponent wants to finish a game, that's for sure up to him/her. I don't feel like there's actually a worthwhile debate on this issue of personal preference.
Sep 11, 2008
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#24
jhuschstp wrote: Does anyone else feel like this is a tad bit silly?...
There are deep waters here. If the game of chess is analagous to a battle, then the rules of engagement on the battlefield can inform the behaviour at the chessboard. To some people, every military battle should be treated as a historic, last stand. In the view of this group (I'm assuming), battles that have been fought honourably include: The Alamo, The Battle of the Little Big Horn, Rourke's Drift and, supremely, Thermopylae.
The opposing view is that while some battles are required to be a fight-to-the-death, most are not. Dunkirk is an example of a battlefield defeat where a strategic retreat paved the way for a future overall victory.
If we consider every chess game in isolation, it becomes both a single battle and the entire war. If, by contrast, we view any single game as a mere skirmish in the overall scheme of things, then it makes sense to accept one's defeats gracefully and conserve one's resources for a future encounter.
This discussion, therefore, hinges on a person's understanding or appreciation of military strategy and military history.
Thanks Teja, but it's actually Bamboozel's group, so he gets all the credit. I'm just trying to help out a friend. Wecome to Sparta!! 
Art, you remind me of the scene in The Last Samurai when Katsumoto says, "I LIKE this General Custard!" All the people calling for surrenders are like Tom Cruise: "He was stupid."
Sep 11, 2008
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#26
I love the idea of promoting all remaining pawns to knights! Great game - thanks for posting it NM-or-bust.
I don't mind fighting it out to the death in a blitz or an OTB - your opponent might always slip up in the heat of the moment. However, if someone outplays me it is unlikely that they are going to make a crazy stalemate blunder when they have 3 days to think about their moves, so instead of making it last for another month or so I'm happy to resign if there isn't a clever stalemate possibility or crazy, multiple sac, mate option.
artfizz wrote:
laconian wrote:
...what about the chess Persians, who come in near the end and aid the eventual victors only to swallow them up some years later? I could do with a quick recap. Any ancient history teachers out there? (BabelFish seems to think you wrote in Greek: "You receive!!" Is this even close?)
It's close....it's Leonidas' reply to the Persian demand that the Spartans lay down their weapons. "Come and get them!"
Two words in ancient Greek, and very much in keeping with the Spartan tradition of pithiness.
I remember some games where I resigned when actually I didn't have to. My regret :)
Sep 12, 2008
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#29
laconian wrote:
...what about the chess Persians, who come in near the end and aid the eventual victors only to swallow them up some years later?
Μολá½¼ν λαβÎ !!
artfizz wrote:
I could do with a quick recap. Any ancient history teachers out there?
(BabelFish seems to think you wrote in Greek: "You receive!!" Is this even close?)
laconian wrote:
It's close....it's Leonidas' reply to the Persian demand that the Spartans lay down their weapons. "Come and get them!"
Two words in ancient Greek, and very much in keeping with the Spartan tradition of pithiness.
artfizz writes:
Quoting has made a bit of mess of the Greek. Hypothetically, how would Leonidas have pronounced that? I'll settle for the nearest phonetic equivalent in English. Or attach a sound file!
I'll bet the Persians are kicking themselves that they didn't say something completely different, such as:
Itt ilyen meleg van vagy Te futesz engem?
or even: "My hovercraft is full of eels." (http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/hungry.htm)
Bamboozel is my son and he was just trying to have some fun by starting 'sparta'
be cool people we are here to have some fun and learning from each other
arfizz you have made your point clear in all your opinions but leave people choose for themselses.
(please arfizz don't respond to this)
NEVER RESIGN!
BelgianPride wrote:
Bamboozel is my son and he was just trying to have some fun by starting 'sparta' be cool people we are here to have some fun and learning from each other arfizz you have made your point clear in all your opinions but leave people choose for themselses. (please arfizz don't respond to this)
Actually, I think Artfizz's playful comments helped increase the membership of The Chess Spartans by keeping the thread active and visible.
Even HE reminded others to keep their comments respectful. Bamboozel and Artfizz may have different viewpoints when it comes to resigning, but I think they were both having fun with each other here. You may have misinterpreted one of his posts.
As a sort of new member of this site, it is interesting to see this controversy. To
me, it's obvious that in a situation where time is not a factor and you have a
"lost" position that there is no reason to persist as others have pointed out. You
get to play another game, have another whack at the opponent and balance the
books. To gut it out is admirable, I do it too. I prefer the sense of a mate or
a resignation to the #@!/? 0 of someone who just disconnects.
Sep 12, 2008
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#34
Well, not all of us have the luxury of time where we can sit out and play a game that's doomed to end in our defeat to the end. Instead, some of us choose to Resign and begin another game, thus utilising the time in a better way. And this is just one good reason for clicking that 'Resign' button. And by resigning, the person who resigns isn't insulting his opponent. To the contrary, he has accepted that his opponent is a better player than himself.
Don't take it too hard when your opponent resigns. Afterall, you are the victor anyway. While I too, like most others enjoy the feel of a good checkmate, a submission from my opponent is just as good. I try not to be too self-centered when it comes to this.
artfizz wrote:
laconian wrote: ...what about the chess Persians, who come in near the end and aid the eventual victors only to swallow them up some years later? Μολá½¼ν λαβÎ !! artfizz wrote: I could do with a quick recap. Any ancient history teachers out there? (BabelFish seems to think you wrote in Greek: "You receive!!" Is this even close?) laconian wrote:
It's close....it's Leonidas' reply to the Persian demand that the Spartans lay down their weapons. "Come and get them!" Two words in ancient Greek, and very much in keeping with the Spartan tradition of pithiness. artfizz writes: Quoting has made a bit of mess of the Greek. Hypothetically, how would Leonidas have pronounced that? I'll settle for the nearest phonetic equivalent in English. Or attach a sound file! I'll bet the Persians are kicking themselves that they didn't say something completely different, such as: Itt ilyen meleg van vagy Te futesz engem? or even: "My hovercraft is full of eels." (http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/hungry.htm)
My goodness, has it ever! Okay, here's the best transliteration I can come up with; it follows no particular system accepted system, just my own pronunciation.
"mole-ohn lah-bay"
A chess player that doesn't understand the "art" of resigning doesn't understand the game of chess. It's a matter of considering your opponent's ability and timing. There is honor and respect involved...
Rael wrote:
NM-or-bust wrote:
BEHOLD! CRAFTY VS NAKAMURA. The entire game was played in 2 minutes and 54 seconds. Oh... my... God... that finishing position is a thing of beauty. Nakamura is out of this world.
that game was fantastic! if only i had the skill evil mind to do such a thing.
wow what a game only in 2 miutes and 54seconds!
rich wrote:
I never resign, when I get into a bad position were I can't win I take my time to find a line for a stale mate.
Unless you just play the crappiest people you can find, that's never going to work. Any semi-decent player will know how to avoid that. There are occasions when even the best line of play will lead to stalemate, but you can't expect this to result from a blunder by your opponent.
I prefer to resign in lost positions.. but cannot ask my opponents as it is their right to fight till the bitter end... I will prefer the button "Resign" as it is.. Others may not use it.. I believe it is a respect opponents capability shown over the stretch of game and if one feels the position is by chance.. then one should continue to the bitter end..
I went to your group home page Billium, and saw the photos submitted by Bamboozel. The logo is so hilarious, for that alone you deserve members. Count me in your never say die team lol!