Why is it STILL possible for people to find us on the interactive map???

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Phobetrix wrote: The majority opinion seems clear. Can we have a reply from the admins?

Approximately 102 out of 2 million have come out against it?

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artfizz wrote:
Phobetrix wrote: The majority opinion seems clear. Can we have a reply from the admins?

Approximately 102 out of 2 million have come out against it?


The majority of those who have stated their opinion is clearly against this violation of privacy.

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philidor_position wrote: The majority of those who have stated their opinion is clearly against this violation of privacy.

I recommend you actually read chess.com's privacy policy which is referenced at the bottom of every page.

"As is true of most Web sites, we automatically gather information about your computer such as your IP address, browser type, referring/exit pages, and operating system.

We use this information to ... "

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artfizz wrote:
philidor_position wrote: The majority of those who have stated their opinion is clearly against this violation of privacy.

I recommend you actually read chess.com's privacy policy which is referenced at the bottom of every page.

"As is true of most Web sites, we automatically gather information about your computer such as your IP address, browser type, referring/exit pages, and operating system.

We use this information to ... "


Please show me the part where it says "share with anyone".

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Information Sharing

We will share your personal information with third parties only in the ways that are described in this privacy statement. We do not sell your personal information to third parties.

We may provide your personal information to companies that provide services to help us with our business activities such as shipping your order or offering customer service. These companies are authorized to use your personal information only as necessary to provide these services to us.

We may also disclose your personal information

  • as required by law such as to comply with a subpoena, or similar legal process
  • when we believe in good faith that disclosure is necessary to protect our rights, protect your safety or the safety of others, investigate fraud, or respond to a government request,
  • if Chess.com is involved in a merger, acquisition, or sale of all or a portion of its assets, you will be notified via email and/or a prominent notice on our Web site of any change in ownership or uses of your personal information, as well as any choices you may have regarding your personal information,
  • to any other third party with your prior consent to do so.

http://privacy-policy.truste.com/verified-policy/www.chess.com

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Though I would say the even more pertinent part is ...

"As is true of most Web sites, we automatically gather information about your computer such as your IP address,

We use this information to:

  • Improve our Web site and marketing efforts"


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OH, so it's THAT term which makes it OK to violate user privacy... Makes it very clear now, thanks artfizz.

What a waste of time this whole thread was then. It's been very clearly stated that Chess com can "improve the site and marketing efforts" by revealing private user information to everyone without consent and it's certainly ok, and we still go on defending user privacy against the wall of clearly defined policy terms... what a waste of time we are.

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philidor_position wrote:

OH, so it's THAT term which makes it OK to violate user privacy... Makes it very clear now, thanks artfizz.

What a waste of time this whole thread was then. It's been very clearly stated that Chess com can "improve the site and marketing efforts" by revealing private user information to everyone without consent and it's certainly ok, and we still go on defending user privacy against the wall of clearly defined policy terms... what a waste of time we are.


You're welcome. Glad to be of service.

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Facebook needs lawyers like you artfizz.

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philidor_position wrote: I think user privacy should be on top of the list, literally. Like, they should leave everything aside for a few hours, days, whatever it takes and solve this problem.

I'm pretty sure this in some way violates the terms of service, privacy policy etc. agreement that people sign before registering here.


Are you still sure?

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artfizz wrote:
philidor_position wrote: I think user privacy should be on top of the list, literally. Like, they should leave everything aside for a few hours, days, whatever it takes and solve this problem.

I'm pretty sure this in some way violates the terms of service, privacy policy etc. agreement that people sign before registering here.


Are you still sure?


Of course! obviously disclosing private information to anyone without consent isn't covered by those generic terms, and "information sharing" is strictly defined in the policy in a section of its own, which clearly doesn't mention any revealing of that information to anyone who wishes without consent.

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I concur with Philidor. I don't see anything that the users have agreed on or anything in the TOS that allows chess.com to reveal the users location without his/her consent. Could the admins please participate in this discussion?

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Phobetrix wrote:

I concur with Philidor. I don't see anything that the users have agreed on or anything in the TOS that allows chess.com to reveal the users location without his/her consent. Could the admins please participate in this discussion?

 

www.chess.comPrivacy Policy  "As is true of most Web sites, we automatically gather information about your computer such as your IP address,

We use this information to:

  • Improve our Web site and marketing efforts"
Displaying your ISP's location on a map would seem to fall within this policy term.
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artfizz wrote:
Phobetrix wrote:

I concur with Philidor. I don't see anything that the users have agreed on or anything in the TOS that allows chess.com to reveal the users location without his/her consent. Could the admins please participate in this discussion?

 

www.chess.comPrivacy Policy  "As is true of most Web sites, we automatically gather information about your computer such as your IP address,

We use this information to:

Improve our Web site and marketing efforts"
Displaying your ISP's location on a map would seem to fall within this policy term.

I fail to se that this would be the case

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artfizz wrote: Improve our Web site and marketing efforts"
Displaying your ISP's location on a map would seem to fall within this policy term.

Phobetrix wrote: I fail to se that this would be the case


Are you implying that a glitzy, interactive, colour map showing approximate locations of members - which gives an indication of the scope of chess.com's coverage and market penetration is NOT an aid to marketing?

Are you also implying that a facility which shows graphically and succinctly which friends, opponents and members generally are online does NOT improve the web site?

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It would definitely be a marketing aid toward the stalker demographic.

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Interestingly, if someone is both a friend and an opponent, only their opponency is displayed on the interactive map of members. I shudder to think what would happen if someone was titled and an opponent and a friend and a member!

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ivandh wrote: It would definitely be a marketing aid toward the stalker demographic.

Indeed. Provided they want to stalk your ISP.

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Please, look at Erik's reply in post #2. In my view it clearly shows that the intention has not been to show location without the member's consent! And that the fact that it does is a mistake!

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artfizz wrote:
artfizz wrote: Improve our Web site and marketing efforts"
Displaying your ISP's location on a map would seem to fall within this policy term.

Phobetrix wrote: I fail to se that this would be the case


Are you implying that a glitzy, interactive, colour map showing approximate locations of members - which gives an indication of the scope of chess.com's coverage and market penetration is NOT an aid to marketing?

Are you also implying that a facility which shows graphically and succinctly which friends, opponents and members generally are online does NOT improve the web site?


No, I agree with you on these. I meant that the rules nevertheless do not give the right to disclose a member's location without the member's acceptance. At any rate, as I already pointed out, it seems to me that this is unintentional and a mistake.