It can definitely be won, but can require a large number of moves with optimal play.
(didn't notice that it's about an ongoing game so I deleted my post, cause I think even the information if it can be won or not would give you an advantage)
It is a win for white but they will struggle to do it within 50 moves...
it can be won but u need to know how lol. i had a similar ending a few months ago and failed miserably to do it within 50 moves
This general ending is a theoretical win for White. It's not a no-brainer. There have been instances of Grandmasters not winning the strong side of this ending.
I can imagine.. It feels impossible to be able to force the king to the corner, being able to checkmate it..
Does anyone know what the basic strategy is for winning this position.. Surely forcing the king to the corner, but are there forced ways to do so?? -->
And how does the 50 moves rule work? F.i. If I check the king, does the 50 start all over (from move 1) or doesn't that matter and should the king be checkmated in 50 moves from the point the 50 moves rule starts..--> And the question follows: when does it start??
its either 50 moves since last pawn move or since last capture, cant remember. you have to force the king into the corner with colour the same as your bishop.
If this is a correspondence game, you're allowed to google the winning method. You can't use computer tablebases(obviously), but you are allowed to consult an online article about, say, "how to win a pawnless bishop+knight endgame"
The basic strategy is to force your opponent into a dark-square(a1, h8) corner.
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The 50-move rule does not factor in checks. It restarts if a piece gets taken or a pawn gets pushed. It starts the turn right after the last pawn is pushed and/or the last piece is taken.
best,
draconlord
Does anyone know what the basic strategy is for winning this position.. Surely forcing the king to the corner, but are there forced ways to do so?? -->
And how does the 50 moves rule work? F.i. If I check the king, does the 50 start all over (from move 1) or doesn't that matter and should the king be checkmated in 50 moves from the point the 50 moves rule starts..--> And the question follows: when does it start??
Given that it is an ongoing game you shouldn't be asking for strategies to win.
The fifty move rule starts from the last pawn move or capture, so checks would not count
i accidently sent a message with help how to win this position . but thankfully it hasnt appeared. how does that work?
The OP's question shouldn't have been asked, it's not permitted in correspondence chess.
Does anyone know what the basic strategy is for winning this position.. Surely forcing the king to the corner, but are there forced ways to do so?? -->
And how does the 50 moves rule work? F.i. If I check the king, does the 50 start all over (from move 1) or doesn't that matter and should the king be checkmated in 50 moves from the point the 50 moves rule starts..--> And the question follows: when does it start??
Given that it is an ongoing game you shouldn't be asking for strategies to win.
The fifty move rule starts from the last pawn move or capture, so checks would not count
True, but note that I'm not asking for a series of moves, but for an overall strategy in this kind of situation..
And the game is unrated, so I don't think there will be lot's of problems with it..
I gave my opponent the link of this post, so if he really thinks this would be cheating, he can say so and I'll resign the game..
For my, pure motivation is an option to practise a winning game that is only played in about 1 of 5000 games!
Thanks for your input though!!
True, but note that I'm not asking for a series of moves, but for an overall strategy in this kind of situation..
Consultation specific to an ongoing game is not permitted. You could ask, "Do you know a book about KBN endings?", but you can't ask, "Is this game winnable?".
yeh but whos checking. is there a staff member overlooking every thread?
True, but note that I'm not asking for a series of moves, but for an overall strategy in this kind of situation..
Consultation specific to an ongoing game is not permitted. You could ask, "Do you know a book about KBN endings?", but you can't ask, "Is this game winnable?".
Really? It was not a question like: is there a forced mate? and how should I play it.. I was asking if the game can be won.. I could have asked: is it possible to win a game with bisschop and knight vs lone king? Is there a basic strategy to do so.. Perhaps in that case I wasn't 'breaking the rules', It just did not seem to problematic to me..
But I'm sorry if this topic really shouldn't have been openened.. I did not know I was committing a foul here..
Just to make it clear...
Where was my mistake?
- Was it asking for a general strategy, or
- Was it asking whether this game Can or cannot be won?
The point is that none of the questions seems to be something that I'd consider cheating.. Since wikipedia or articles could have also told be the same story (probably) and none of those questions were game specific..
If I asked whether it was possible to win a game, with knight + bischop vs lone king, and if there was some strategy, Without! posting the situation (at one moment, not the entire game..), would it be okay than..??
The reason for this question was, that if it is impossible to win such a situation, I'd waste both mine and my opponents time with playing till the 50th move rule ends..
Hi 02Wesley,
Yes the game is theoretically winning for you, but, it is a real skill doing it in less than 50 moves.
As you didnt know it was a won position it is extreamly unlikely you would have won. You should agree the draw and if interested look up how to win with a Knight and Bishop after the draw. You can find some good video on YouTube or on here (if your a paid member)
When you look into it, you will see how hard it is.
Regards,
Oliver
Hi 02Wesley,
Yes the game is theoretically winning for you, but, it is a real skill doing it in less than 50 moves.
As you didnt know it was a won position it is extreamly unlikely you would have won. You should agree the draw and if interested look up how to win with a Knight and Bishop after the draw. You can find some good video on YouTube or on here (if your a paid member)
When you look into it, you will see how hard it is.
Regards,
Oliver
This is Correspondance Chess. I strongly disagree with you. He should look up the winning method (not using tablebases, but through a book or video), and put the ideas into practise in this game.
