Ah, at last someone who's truly paying attention!
K+2N vs. K+P
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Btw, although yes this ending is indeed very rare (I've never gotten it, nor have I ever seen anyone else get it in an actual live game), according to Botvinnik (in Soviet Championship 1941) Lilienthal had gotten it no less than three times!...and failed to find the win each time.
thanks Andy -- I remembered there was a Soviet master who had it a few times with draws in them all!
Apr 8, 2012
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#25
Another part to the problem: How do I force his king into the corner in the first place??
Actually, that's most of the problem... 
Maybe, maybe not. But then, I'm not the one who keeps on asking about it.
Apr 8, 2012
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#29
Well, one good thing I can say about you: You sure are great when someone wants to keep a thread going! 
Yes, I too have noticed that about myself. 
Common sense tells me no two knights can mate an opponent in an end game.
Then your common sense is wrong.
Only if the opponent has a pawn on the board, and depending where it is.. and then, you'll still have the difficult task of finding the right moves, of course, barring you have enough time.
I'd offer/accept a draw on either side.
Jun 12, 2012
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#35
AnthonyCG wrote:
Can't Black just throw away the pawn?
How will he persuade white to take it?
The main reason you cannot force a mate with K+2N v K+p is because the Ns cannot gain a tempo. They shift square color every time they move.
Jun 12, 2012
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#37
AnthonyCG wrote:
browni3141 wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:
Can't Black just throw away the pawn?
How will he persuade white to take it?
Threaten to queen it. If Whte tries to blocade the pawn then the rest of the material won't be enough to mate anyway.
The key is to blockade the pawn until the proper moment when the knight can come and deliver mate without stalemate. It's much easier said than done. I don't know how to actually do it and don't really care to learn right now since it will likely never come up. I've never even had BNK vs. K
Jun 12, 2012
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#38
transpo wrote:
The main reason you cannot force a mate with K+2N v K+p is because the Ns cannot gain a tempo. They shift square color every time they move.
But you CAN force mate in many positions of K+2N vs. K+P
browni3141 wrote:
transpo wrote:
The main reason you cannot force a mate with K+2N v K+p is because the Ns cannot gain a tempo. They shift square color every time they move.
But you CAN force mate in many positions of K+2N vs. K+P
But, you CANNOT force mate if the opponent with the K+p knows enough endgame technique to avoid those positions by simply separating the K from the p and just giving it up. Then there is no mate. It is mostly when the opponent with the K+p tries to get more from the position by attempting to queen the pawn that he gets in trouble. If he knows endgame technique he knows that those positions are rare and it is best to just take the draw.
browni3141 wrote:
transpo wrote:
The main reason you cannot force a mate with K+2N v K+p is because the Ns cannot gain a tempo. They shift square color every time they move.
But you CAN force mate in many positions of K+2N vs. K+P
Yes its about the fiftieth time its been said, people still comment how impossible it is. It is VERY UNLIKELY BUT POSSIBLE. TROITZKY LINE.
you will never win, it's a draw. If I were your opponent I will move my knights only my king.
Armhow