Mate or Draw?

Accept the loss like a grown adult, you don't gain in the long run by planning to cower out of inevitable defeat. This is a bad attitude to have in life, no matter how bad you are.

Would that mean that if Black still has mating material (maybe a queen, rook, two bishops, four pawns) while White has more material (queen, two rooks, knight, two bishops, five pawns) and White's position is safe then White flagging would NOT be a win for Black because the engine would identify White as better?

The US Chess rule is that mating material is any or all of: <1> at least one queen; <2> at least one rook; <3> at least one pawn; <4> at least two bishops that between them can travel to any square on the board; <5> at least both a bishop and a knight; <6> at least three knights; <7> two knights when the opponent has a pawn; <8> either one bishop or one knight with no other non-king pieces if and only if there is a forced mate with those pieces.

FIDE says that mating material is anything that could result in a mate if both players cooperated (a lone knight is mating material regardless of the size of the opponent's army if the opponent has at least one of: pawn; bishop; knight; rook) (a lone bishop is the same except that rook is removed from the list and the opponent's bishop has to be one that travels on the opposite color squares as the player's own bishop).

I hate to break it to you but even as an absolute coward, you're probably not immortal. We all die, some die with a purpose.

The same is true in Chess. You can pride yourself on a superficial abuse of a bug by timing out to artificially force a tie (which wouldn't work on this website but if it did, you get my point), in the long run to even think that way and want to do it will ruin your passion for Chess and you are hardly going to benefit much from that one loss-avoidance. Instead, honour and glory are very much important in Chess, it's what the OGs played for in the first place, money is a side thing to a true Chess champion's career.

It worked

Proof?

Can you give me an example of something that is not considered shameful and bad manners, which qualifies as something dishonourable or glory-reducing?

anything at all

These comments have wandered a long way from the chess position, seems like...

Ha that’s interesting 

The USCF and chess.com rules are the worse evil. 

We here on this side of the pond just laugh at those hobbyplayer‘s rules.

How about here, Black times out.

What to do? It‘s mate in 16.

See posting #15.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/endgames/can-i-still-win-with-a-knight-and-a-king

I believe this is the best answer so far

This is confusing to me. I mean, doesn't 'insufficient' material count any pieces across the board from both parties? Or am I wrong here? Because if so there's enough checkmate material since white's own pieces will keep the king trapped.

White: Aha! You don't have mating material. I play Nb3

Black: Be4 checkmate!

I think Black wins that argument

To speakt bluntly: the rest of the world sticks to FIDE and consider this US approach BS. It's the worse of two evils, FIDE is much more consistent.

mate or draw????

play the puzzle