Q VS R is eaey for me.
What I have been taught in the last few weeks
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May 27, 2021
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#23
krazeechess wrote:
Meanwhile, I can't do either of them...... I am kinda surprised a NM is saying this.
B+N is doable, I could do it in an otb game
Q+R against a player who knows how to defend? Eh
May 28, 2021
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#24
TheLoneBishop007 wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
krazeechess wrote:
Meanwhile, I can't do either of them...... I am kinda surprised a NM is saying this.
B+N is doable, I could do it in an otb game
Q+R against a player who knows how to defend? Eh
If they know how to defend they're playing engine moves... longest way to mate, which makes your task easier since all you have to do is memorize the basic triangle strategy- ;-;
I assume by "triangle strategy" you mean Philidor's position in the Q vs R endgame where you pass the tempo to put the Rook side into zugswang? Sure this is fairly simple once you reach this position, but if NM @rychessmaster1 has the same problems I do, then it is reaching this position against strong defense. The Queen side must break the Rook side down from third rank defense to some form of the second rank defense before finally finessing this "triangle strategy" - getting to this position is what is tricky about this endgame.
May 28, 2021
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#25
KeSetoKaiba wrote:
TheLoneBishop007 wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
krazeechess wrote:
Meanwhile, I can't do either of them...... I am kinda surprised a NM is saying this.
B+N is doable, I could do it in an otb game
Q+R against a player who knows how to defend? Eh
If they know how to defend they're playing engine moves... longest way to mate, which makes your task easier since all you have to do is memorize the basic triangle strategy- ;-;
I assume by "triangle strategy" you mean Philidor's position in the Q vs R endgame where you pass the tempo to put the Rook side into zugswang? Sure this is fairly simple once you reach this position, but if NM @rychessmaster1 has the same problems I do, then it is reaching this position against strong defense. The Queen side must break the Rook side down from third rank defense to some form of the second rank defense before finally finessing this "triangle strategy" - getting to this position is what is tricky about this endgame.
My problem isn’t winning from philidor, it’s getting to it
May 28, 2021
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#26
The engine just loves cutting off the king and refusing to lose
May 28, 2021
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#27
rychessmaster1 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
How much time have you wasted on this
Yes
My advice
stop
May 28, 2021
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#28
B1ZMARK wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
How much time have you wasted on this
Yes
My advice
stop
I must've learned from you because I don't even know how to do two bishops mate
May 28, 2021
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#29
rychessmaster1 wrote:
literally QvR is worse than winning B+N
How did you not know this for so long?
B+N is super easy... sometimes it's even taught to beginners.
B+B vs N (when the knight is on a square like g2) is harder than Q vs R by the way.
May 28, 2021
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#30
rychessmaster1 wrote:
The engine just loves cutting off the king and refusing to lose
I've beaten engines like stockfish in Q vs R back when I was practicing that stuff (not very practical, I know). They don't walk into the philidor position, they play some "bad" move that requires you to see some super precise zugzwang moves to win the rook.
But there was at least one engine I played that was designed to make this endgame harder on humans, and it was a nightmare to try to win... I don't know if I ever beat it... and of course there's that old story of a GM losing a bet that he could beat an early engine (decades ago) in this endgame, but after he trained for a few weeks he came back and won it.
May 28, 2021
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#31
And what about R+B vs R?
That difficulty is probably between the simple N+B and Q vs R.
I got to where I could easily beat engines and people in R+B vs R (although I'm out of practice now).
May 28, 2021
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#32
llama47 wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
literally QvR is worse than winning B+N
How did you not know this for so long?
B+N is super easy... sometimes it's even taught to beginners.
B+B vs N (when the knight is on a square like g2) is harder than Q vs R by the way.
B+B vs N is unwinable half the time due to 50 move rule
And if anyone actually knows exactly how to win that they either have no life or are 2700+
May 28, 2021
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#33
llama47 wrote:
And what about R+B vs R?
That difficulty is probably between the simple N+B and Q vs R.
I got to where I could easily beat engines and people in R+B vs R (although I'm out of practice now).
Holding R+B vs R is far easier than winning QvR
May 28, 2021
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#34
rychessmaster1 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
And what about R+B vs R?
That difficulty is probably between the simple N+B and Q vs R.
I got to where I could easily beat engines and people in R+B vs R (although I'm out of practice now).
Holding R+B vs R is far easier than winning QvR
Oh yeah, I meant winning it from the winning positions.
May 28, 2021
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#36
llama47 wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
And what about R+B vs R?
That difficulty is probably between the simple N+B and Q vs R.
I got to where I could easily beat engines and people in R+B vs R (although I'm out of practice now).
Holding R+B vs R is far easier than winning QvR
Oh yeah, I meant winning it from the winning positions.
If you know it’s winning it might not be that hard but spotting it without knowing is
May 28, 2021
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#37
rychessmaster1 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
llama47 wrote:
And what about R+B vs R?
That difficulty is probably between the simple N+B and Q vs R.
I got to where I could easily beat engines and people in R+B vs R (although I'm out of practice now).
Holding R+B vs R is far easier than winning QvR
Oh yeah, I meant winning it from the winning positions.
If you know it’s winning it might not be that hard but spotting it without knowing is
Nah, it's pretty hard to find the winning process yourself. There are several key zugzwang moves, and it's easier for the defender.
May 28, 2021
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#38
Here's the basic idea from the basic position... I dislike how it's usually shown / explained, so these are my notes to it
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May 28, 2021
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#40
llama47 wrote:
rychessmaster1 wrote:
literally QvR is worse than winning B+N
How did you not know this for so long?
B+N is super easy... sometimes it's even taught to beginners.
B+B vs N (when the knight is on a square like g2) is harder than Q vs R by the way.
i learnt kr vs k in 400 and dont even know kbb vs k let alone kbn vs k
literally QvR is worse than winning B+N
I'm never getting QvR, but B+N I have already memorized pretty much most of the maneuvers and can do it from any position
Challenge: beat me K + B + N vs K + P with 1 min on clock
2 years ago, I did KBN vs K against full Steength Stockfish, finished in 40 seconds. ( no sound)
If I practice again for around 1 hour, I can likely get < 30 sec.