Which is the best move here and how to identify it?

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Hello friends,

In this game I reached following position with black and could not find the best move. Can you please suggest (1) which is the best move here and (2) how does one identify it?

Thanks,

Manoj

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The best move is any move that draws. The obvious candidate is ...f6-f5 as it exchanges 2 pawns on both sides by force. Since your king is well placed your opponent can't grab the opposition to win with his remaining pawn - unless you blunder. How do you blunder? 1. .. f5 2.Kf3 gxf4?? (correct is fxg4!) 3. Kxf4 fxg4 4. Kxg4 and you lost the opposition.

 

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f5 is clearly best since it is the only move to draw.

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n9531l1 wrote:

f5 is clearly best since it is the only move to draw.

Why?
f5 is the easiest move on the board, so it's stupid that you didn't find it, but it requires some thought. 

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 Yes you all are right - f5 is indeed the best move.

For me it wasn't obvious. How I analysed is that I just need to protect f6 pawn and so I can keep moving between g7 and g7 squares and it will draw. 

But that does not work as opponent king can come around and down and grap f6 pawn.

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Sep-Gol wrote:
n9531l1 wrote:

f5 is clearly best since it is the only move to draw.

Why?
f5 is the easiest move on the board, so it's stupid that you didn't find it, but it requires some thought. 

I don't agree that not finding the move was a sign of stupidity. It was more likely a result of inexperience or a time shortage. 

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F5 only move that creates chance for draw

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Moonwarrior_1 wrote:

F5 only move that creates chance for draw

Actually, Black could make a losing move and still have a chance for a draw, since White could make a mistake. But it's true that f5 is the only move that produces a drawn position.

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Black would love to leave white with just one pawn, when the position is an elementary draw. So, 1...f5 suggests itself- an easy draw.

Notice though that instead of 1.Ke3? white could have played 1.Ke4 when 1...f5+ does not work, and white wins easily.

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pfren wrote:

Black would love to leave white with just one pawn, when the position is an elementary draw. So, 1...f5 suggests itself- an easy draw.

Notice though that instead of 1.Ke3? white could have played 1.Ke4 when 1...f5+ does not work, and white wins easily.

Yes - you people are Gods at chess!

 

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pfren wrote:

Black would love to leave white with just one pawn, when the position is an elementary draw. So, 1...f5 suggests itself- an easy draw.

Notice though that instead of 1.Ke3? white could have played 1.Ke4 when 1...f5+ does not work, and white wins easily.

uhhh

not SO easily, if you don't say f5 isn't easy, because after gx you have to play the unnatural Kxf4!!

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LOL the computer does't see it

 

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Sep-Gol έγραψε:
pfren wrote:

Black would love to leave white with just one pawn, when the position is an elementary draw. So, 1...f5 suggests itself- an easy draw.

Notice though that instead of 1.Ke3? white could have played 1.Ke4 when 1...f5+ does not work, and white wins easily.

uhhh

not SO easily, if you don't say f5 isn't easy, because after gx you have to play the unnatural Kxf4!!

 

Why unnatural? You just need to know the king and pawn ending fundamentals: you need your king ahead of your pawn.

Also, it's rather easy to predict (1.Ke4 gxf4 2.gxf4?) f5+ when the white king will never manage to get in front of his pawn.

And of course, "the computer" sees it as long as you let it reach some depth.

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I would play f5. It is an easy draw.

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pfren wrote:
Sep-Gol έγραψε:
pfren wrote:

Black would love to leave white with just one pawn, when the position is an elementary draw. So, 1...f5 suggests itself- an easy draw.

Notice though that instead of 1.Ke3? white could have played 1.Ke4 when 1...f5+ does not work, and white wins easily.

uhhh

not SO easily, if you don't say f5 isn't easy, because after gx you have to play the unnatural Kxf4!!

 

Why unnatural? You just need to know the king and pawn ending fundamentals: you need your king ahead of your pawn.

Also, it's rather easy to predict (1.Ke4 gxf4 2.gxf4?) f5+ when the white king will never manage to get in front of his pawn.

And of course, "the computer" sees it as long as you let it reach some depth.

 

Yes, Yes, I get what you mean, but I still think that f5 is easier to find than Kxf4. 

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According to Lomonosov TB, only f5 draws and every other move loses for black. So, f5 is the best move here.

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lomonosov95 wrote:

According to Lomonosov TB, only f5 draws and every other move loses for black. So, f5 is the best move here.

I'm glad to hear that Lomonosov agrees with Syzygy, the source for comments #3 and #8.

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lichess.com

 

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You learn almost nothing by looking simple positions in a tablebase. Work them out yourself!