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InsertInterestingNameHere

black is developing the queen with tempo that white cannot safely attack/develop without losing anything else. There is a difference. Opening principles are not meant to be blindly followed.

taseredbirdinstinct
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

black is developing the queen with tempo that white cannot safely attack/develop without losing anything else. There is a difference. Opening principles are not meant to be blindly followed.

If white was to develop and castle in that position how would it cause white to lose anything?

LeoTSimoes26
taseredbirdinstinct escreveu:

 

This is the ruy lopes exchange variation, I saw a GM playing and commentinng on it, I think Fisher played it. The idea is trying to go to a endgame where the white pieces have  advantage due to the possibility of creating a passed pawn.

InsertInterestingNameHere

Just to be clear, the exchange Spanish itself is not bad. Nxe5 is.

TheMsquare

What a unambitious last move.. hit em with d4 mate.. that's the right way to go.. I play the Ruy Lopez for white.

InsertInterestingNameHere
Optimissed wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

“it is considered to be pretty aggressive and possibly on the more dynamic side, though.”

no, it’s just bad for white.

Very good for white! So long as white doesn't play 5. d3!! The normal move is 0-0.

was talking about nxe5

InsertInterestingNameHere

as a d4 player, a big pet peeve is when they play a move order that transposes to an e4 position, but whatcha gonna do I guess

 

taseredbirdinstinct
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Just to be clear, the exchange Spanish itself is not bad. Nxe5 is.

You have a new avatar.

InsertInterestingNameHere

Maybe I’ll learn the Catalan for e6 (I assume you meant e6) and c6 players. Seems ultra-solid.

InsertInterestingNameHere
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Just to be clear, the exchange Spanish itself is not bad. Nxe5 is.

You have a new avatar.

I change it like every week I get bored easily

InsertInterestingNameHere

Same, except I always go c4 instead of Bd3.

Jalex13
As a Queen’s Gambit player, my games are always a slow positional battle, just as I like it! I only play e4 in blitz or bullet.
taseredbirdinstinct
 

 Optimissed wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

“it is considered to be pretty aggressive and possibly on the more dynamic side, though.”

no, it’s just bad for white.

Very good for white! So long as white doesn't play 5. d3!! The normal move is 0-0.

was talking about nxe5

Sorry.

I don't see a problem with this, it's been done many times before.

InsertInterestingNameHere

That leaves black with a tiny advantage, for reasons I have already explained. You should not be equalizing, much less giving advantage to your opponent, as white by move 5.

taseredbirdinstinct
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

That leaves black with a tiny advantage, for reasons I have already explained. You should not be equalizing, much less giving advantage to your opponent, as white by move 5.

This does not leave black with the advantage, white still have the first move advantage albeit in a much more imbalanced manner, which fits in line with dynamism.

 There is nothing wrong with picking moves within the Ruy Lopez that allows black to easily equalise, as long as you want to completely simplify the middlegame in the style that Capablanca did.

Jalex13
White should always be playing for an advantage because of move order.
taseredbirdinstinct
Jalex13 wrote:
White should always be playing for an advantage because of move order.

Not always, as Fischer, Capablanca and Carlsen played plenty of games that allowed each side to achieve easy, inevitable and perfect equality in order to avoid all middlegame risks and to beat their opponent in the endgame.

Jalex13
That’s true, but I’m saying it’s optimal to get as large as an advantage as possible.
taseredbirdinstinct
Optimissed wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
Jalex13 wrote:
White should always be playing for an advantage because of move order.

Not always, as Fischer, Capablanca and Carlsen played plenty of games that allowed each side to achieve easy, inevitable and perfect equality in order to avoid all middlegame risks and to beat their opponent in the endgame.

But that doesn't yield a winnable ending, because white's d pawn is still on but he will lose his e pawn.

Playing for a win means more risks and a lower chance of perfect play, playing for no risks yet not striving for a win is to increase the probability of a perfectly played middlegame without any errors, it all depends on style.

You made the most generic complaint about an opening that could ever be made, of course white will keep the d pawn yet lose the e pawn, which is no different to many other well known lines and openings, as long as the material is equal.

InsertInterestingNameHere

No offense, but a 200 arguing with a 1900 on what is winnable and what is not is ridiculous. Asking for advice on a line, and then arguing when you are giving advice (at least, the advice you didn’t want to hear) looks bad.