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taseredbirdinstinct
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

No offense, but a 200 arguing with a 1900 on what is winnable and what is not is ridiculous. Asking for advice on a line, and then arguing when you are giving advice (at least, the advice you didn’t want to hear) looks bad.

I wasn't arguing, it's an internet site where people are allowed to say what they think of something, do you want me to lie about how I perceive something? I never once claimed my ideas about chess was correct. Everything is open to discussion, how else am I able to learn?

I'm not 200, I'm 148, although at one point my previous account had went all the way up to 600ish. Obviously it's no way near a 1900+ in skill and knowledge, I never claimed otherwise.

I'm open to any advice, always have been.

taseredbirdinstinct
Optimissed wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:
Jalex13 wrote:
White should always be playing for an advantage because of move order.

Not always, as Fischer, Capablanca and Carlsen played plenty of games that allowed each side to achieve easy, inevitable and perfect equality in order to avoid all middlegame risks and to beat their opponent in the endgame.

But that doesn't yield a winnable ending, because white's d pawn is still on but he will lose his e pawn.

How does the fact that white will keep the d pawn yet lose the e pawn make it unwinnable? This looks like a position that someone could use to strive for a win.

Jalex13
Insert I’m higher rated than you don’t argue with me シ
taseredbirdinstinct
Jalex13 wrote:
Insert I’m higher rated than you don’t argue with me シ

No need to repeat it.

You probably make plenty of mistakes of your own, yet whenever somebody higher rated than you points out your mistakes to you, you obviously don't always agree with them unless they presented proof to you, yet when somebody lower than you requests proof of their mistakes you obviously don't present them with any proof, the difference between you and somebody higher rated than you is that the higher rated person takes the time to show you your errors with proof, while you obviously cannot do the same for somebody lower than you. Quite telling.

No need to turn it into a joke, this thread doesn't need off topic nonsense to clutter it up.

llama51
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

-gives up the bishop pair needlessly

-white cannot castle

-black has better control of the center

+engine and this is well known

Wow, wrong on all points.

In any case, it can't be so bad, since it's not very different from this

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Which was a pretty topical line for many years, also played in the 2013 world chess championship between Carlsen and Anand.

InsertInterestingNameHere
Jalex13 wrote:
Insert I’m higher rated than you don’t argue with me シ

crap u right

InsertInterestingNameHere
llama51 wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

-gives up the bishop pair needlessly

-white cannot castle

-black has better control of the center

+engine and this is well known

Wow, wrong on all points.

In any case, it can't be so bad, since it's not very different from this

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Which was a pretty topical line for many years, also played in the 2013 world chess championship between Carlsen and Anand.

are you saying exchange Spanish with nxe5 does not give up the BP needlessly

llama51
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
llama51 wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

-gives up the bishop pair needlessly

-white cannot castle

-black has better control of the center

+engine and this is well known

Wow, wrong on all points.

In any case, it can't be so bad, since it's not very different from this

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-

Which was a pretty topical line for many years, also played in the 2013 world chess championship between Carlsen and Anand.

are you saying exchange Spanish with nxe5 does not give up the BP needlessly

The exchange Spanish has been played by plenty of GMs.

Also, there are plenty of top level openings that give up the bishop pair early. For example the Rossolimo was played many times in the Carlsen - Caruana world chess championship match.

InsertInterestingNameHere
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Just to be clear, the exchange Spanish itself is not bad. Nxe5 is.


llama51

Is the exchange Spanish ambitious? No.

Is d3 in that line ambitious? No.

But that's about the worst you can say about it... that professionals wont be using it as their main weapon.

llama51
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Just to be clear, the exchange Spanish itself is not bad. Nxe5 is.

 

Nxe5 is a beginner mistake. I didn't even notice you mentioned the move.

No one plays Nxe5.

InsertInterestingNameHere

The OP is saying that nxe5 yields “dynamic positions” and that white is not worse. That is what we are talking about. If you were solely talking about just the exchange Spanish, then you’re completely correct lol

llama51

I mean... I didn't read the topic. Maybe OP is a troll, and of course 5.d3 is not very interesting.

Jalex13
I’m confused… in post #56 I was taking to “InsertInterestingNameHere” as a joke. Background: a week or two ago I was talking about how he’s 1700 and I’m too lazy to crack 1600. I wasn’t talking to you you taseredbirdinstinct, and the message was a lighthearted joke. Lol
taseredbirdinstinct
llama51 wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

Just to be clear, the exchange Spanish itself is not bad. Nxe5 is.

 

Nxe5 is a beginner mistake. I didn't even notice you mentioned the move.

No one plays Nxe5.

This is bad for white

This is good for white

 

InsertInterestingNameHere
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

5Nxe5 is a standard opening variation, it does work, although black is supposed to bring out the queen as an inbetween move and recapture the pawn and possibly exchange a knight too, it is considered to be pretty aggressive and possibly on the more dynamic side, though.

 

llama51
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
taseredbirdinstinct wrote:

5Nxe5 is a standard opening variation, it does work, although black is supposed to bring out the queen as an inbetween move and recapture the pawn and possibly exchange a knight too, it is considered to be pretty aggressive and possibly on the more dynamic side, though.

 

Ok, well, I don't like replying to people like that. I'd rather argue with you because you're not dumb wink.png

InsertInterestingNameHere

not dumb is the best compliment I’ve ever been given on here

Jalex13
I’ve never been complimented on this site…I think most people think of me as that annoying guy
taseredbirdinstinct
NervesofButter wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:
llama51 wrote:
InsertInterestingNameHere wrote:

-gives up the bishop pair needlessly

-white cannot castle

-black has better control of the center

+engine and this is well known

Wow, wrong on all points.

In any case, it can't be so bad, since it's not very different from this

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-

Which was a pretty topical line for many years, also played in the 2013 world chess championship between Carlsen and Anand.

are you saying exchange Spanish with nxe5 does not give up the BP needlessly

Way to much emphasis on the bishop pair. 

 

We are talking about the Morphy exchange, this position that you have shown doesn't belong to the Morphy exchange.