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Capturing is the only move other than forward a pawn can make. The poor fellow can't even go home even if he wants to... Not until a promotion at least
Sep 20, 2021
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Hi! My name is Lauren Goodkind and I’m a respected chess coach and chess YouTuber based in California:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP5SPSG_sWSYPjqJYMNwL_Q
As Wiseclz stated, rules are rules. I wonder who created that rule up in the game of chess.
Sep 20, 2021
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#5
Since you just joined and new to chess, just go with the flow…rules are rules. Learn them, apply them and appreciate the beauty of each piece’s capabilities and how they combine in tactics and strategy. There are greater questions to seek answers to. Pursue knowledge, not a rating, and you will prosper.
SI-Experiment, pawns do only move forward UNLESS they're capturing, then it only moves one square diagonally to capture.
SI-Experiment wrote:
I don’t get it, how are pawns able to capture a piece diagonal to them if they could only move forward?
If someone could tell me the reason as to why, I would appreciate it, thanks!
If someone could tell me the reason as to why, I would appreciate it, thanks!
Interesting...
I once attended a lecture in a school where a student could pay attention or not to do. There were two outcomes.
1. The student paid attention ("pawn moved forward")
2. The student did not pay attention, but he would not be punished; instead, it's his two neighbouring students who will be punished for not ensuring that he was alert ("pawn captures diagonally")
laurengoodkindchess wrote:
Hi! My name is Lauren Goodkind and I’m a respected chess coach and chess YouTuber based in California:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP5SPSG_sWSYPjqJYMNwL_Q
As Wiseclz stated, rules are rules. I wonder who created that rule up in the game of chess.
Maybe it's because in close combat, when you are too close to your enemy, it would be very difficult to draw a long sword and attack him. Instead, there is more space for enemies diagonally across him, so attacking would be easier in a diagonal manner.
Sep 21, 2021
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#9
Since you've come up with such a relevant question, why don't you ask the pawns themselves.
Sep 21, 2021
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#11
Lancers move forward and capture forward, in Xiangqi(Chinese chess).
Pawns already had their single space movements in the earliest known form of chess, chaturanga. (Basically, modern chess is a variant of chaturanga). It's likely that the pawns were inherited from a lost game where someone found their movements good for a strategy game.
eric0022 wrote:
laurengoodkindchess wrote:
Hi! My name is Lauren Goodkind and I’m a respected chess coach and chess YouTuber based in California:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP5SPSG_sWSYPjqJYMNwL_Q
As Wiseclz stated, rules are rules. I wonder who created that rule up in the game of chess.
Maybe it's because in close combat, when you are too close to your enemy, it would be very difficult to draw a long sword and attack him. Instead, there is more space for enemies diagonally across him, so attacking would be easier in a diagonal manner.
This is about right but it wasn't a long sword, it was a short sword. Armies way back when went into battle in rows carrying shields and short swords. With the line creating a shield wall for protection it was difficult to attack the person directly ahead. However, a soldier could thrust their sword between the shields at an enemy that was diagonally in front of them. That carried over into the board war game that became chess.
i would like to know WHY this arbitrary rule came to be.
was this rule in place when ruy lopez de segura & pedro damiano did their writings (published 1561 & 1512 respective) in the 1500's ?
...to answer my own question...yes diagonal pawn captures were already going back then. heres a one a the (66) example games shown in RL's book:
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e5 Qe7 5.Qe2 Nh5 6.Nc3 c6 7.Ne4
gonna look into earlier games now...
also, wondering...the whenabouts of en passant (french based per the language ??)
Sep 21, 2021
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#15
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
...to answer my own question...yes diagonal pawn captures were already going back then. heres a one a the (66) example games shown in RL's book:
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e5 Qe7 5.Qe2 Nh5 6.Nc3 c6 7.Ne4
gonna look into earlier games now...
also, wondering...the whenabouts of en passant (french based per the language ??)
En passant came from the mad queen chess variant from the 15 century, when modern chess was invented. Basically, when the bishops(elephants) and queen(fez) got their new long distance movements, the pawns were too slow. So the French gave the pawn, a pawn jump and the king, a king jump on their first move to compensate.
That fixed the speed issue, but it caused problems with other pawns, which en passant fixed, and the king jump was still too slow to protect the king, so that become castling.
thank u bino !
since en passant was introduced s/t in the 1400's, it's safe to conclude that diagonal capturing was made available at that time or prior ??
which brings up another question. ...and probably not for this thread, and thats pawn promoting.
Sep 21, 2021
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#18
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
thank u bino !
since en passant was introduced s/t in the 1400's, it's safe to conclude that diagonal capturing was made available at that time or prior ??
As I stated previous, diagonal capture is part of chaturanga, which is a predecessor of chess. Or more accurately, modern chess is a variant of chaturanga.
https://www.chess.com/variants/chaturanga
It's also in chaturaji as well.
https://www.chess.com/variants/chaturaji
It's likely pawns were inherited from a previous game lost to history. But they have moved that way since the earliest games we know of.
As I stated previous, diagonal capture is part of chaturanga
no u didnt...said n/t abt chaturanga besides thats not chess
were gonna hafta keep u in line lol !!
If someone could tell me the reason as to why, I would appreciate it, thanks!