Why not the scotch?

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DimiBell
I see that people in the openings database play the open Sicilian and play 3.d4, people play 3.d4 against the Philidor the most and 3.d4 in the Russian game is as popular as the Scotch.


Why don’t more people play the Scotch, why is it considered worse than the Italian? In The Italian you block your Knight on B1 and play d3 and c3, or you sac everything to attack your opponent and then lose. In the Scotch you often have the chance to castle queenside and play a pawnstorm. You can also just develop your kingside bishop and castle kingside and play normally



My Question, because I am unsure:
Is there a line that wins for black? Or a trap/Gambit? Because I play it all the time and I’m scared of Gambits.
idilis
DimiBell wrote:*snip* Why don’t more people play the Scotch, why is it considered worse than the Italian? In The Italian you block your Knight on B1 and play d3 and c3, or you sac everything to attack your opponent and then lose. In the Scotch you often have the chance to castle queenside and play a pawnstorm. You can also just develop your kingside bishop and castle kingside and play normally *snip*

There seems to be a preference these days for the 0-0, c3, d3, Re1, Nb1-d2-f1-g3 type set up even in the guioco as well.

A direct d4 that may lead to quick exchanges and less midgame flexibility.  For e.g. one wouldn't need much theory in the Scotch to play the 'inferior' 4 .., Nxd4 5. Qxd4 Qf6.

A beginner or intermediate may have expected a more 'romantic' game with fireworks or at least one where the tensions in the center were not released so quickly.  An endgame specialist might prefer this.

Or the mieses variation with a totally different look.

Either way 'normal' play does not often ensue.

RAU4ever

Kasparov used to play the Scotch, so a lack of Scotch games might just be due to fashion. That's how it goes with openings: if a strong player plays them they get picked up at lower levels. Then again, it might also be a draw for white according to strong engines, which might also be a reason it's not played much at top level. Shouldn't concern us though, it's still a good opening.

HarshSaberTwitch

In the Philidor and the open Sicilian, black has already played d6. If they want to play d5, which is their main break, then d6 was a waste of time for Black. However, Black often ends up playing d5 in the Sicilian to avoid a cramped game. With the Scotch, black can usually get d5 in in one move without playing d6. That being said, the Scotch is still a good opening though.

mpaetz

     Scotch is my preferred whisky, in particular Isle of Skye single malts.

MSteen

Years ago, one of the students on my chess team asked me what my favorite opening was. I replied, "the Scotch opening." He said, "That's odd, I've never seen you play it." "Oh, I don't play it," I replied, making a twisting motion with my hand, "I open it."

It got a big laugh.

KevinOSh

There's nothing wrong with the Scotch opening so if you like it then play it.

The fact that it is played less often will work to your advantage as fewer players will know the theory.

Laskersnephew

There's nothing at all wrong with the Scotch. It's a perfectly playable opening. If the world's elite grandmasters don't play it, so what? You won't be meeting them any time soon! It may be true that it's a little easier for Black to equalize against the Scotch than against the Ruy Lopez or Italian, but again, so what? There's plenty of room for you to outplay your opponent

idilis
TiltedDonkey wrote:

stockfish says ruy lopez is better 

Sounds fishy, like engine assistance

zone_chess

Ruy Lopez is the best 1. e4 opening.
It's funny though: if you play 1. d4, you can forget about all 1. e4 openings since you have the initiative...

GMegasDoux

If you play 1.e4 you are going to face so many openings that Black gets to choose it seems more reasonable to take your pick of only one of the e5 responses that white gets a choice in. Italian, Scotch, Spanish or King's Gambit as you will be trying to pick up all the theory for the other openings anyway. I go for the Italian for now. Not a fan of the other three.

x-1198923638

I play the scotch whenever 2. Nc6, precisely because people don't know it as well at my (pathetic) level.

> I play the scotch whenever 2. Nc6

^^ FWIW this is probably a good reason to not play it, statistically speaking, tbh, I suck.   ie. YMMV

GMegasDoux

Stockfish:@IM pfren "How dare you, my mother was a calculator."

Mikaso02

I do believe that you can play most of the openings at a lower level and it will be fine. I have always played Scotch game, from 600 to 1500, and although opponents might know the theory better, I like it as it often lead to quick exchanges and maybe endgames. I think you have to pick an opening which goes with your style of play, Scotch will not have very complex positional positions compared to other openings but still works greatly.

Finally, concerning traps, I know like one trap with white, but I do not think black has really any trap, and even if they have, after falling into it 2 or 3 times, you won't be tricked again after it

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

Why not the scotch?

cuz im pfrens been drinking the ouzo ?...not sure.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola
GMegasDoux wrote:

Stockfish:@IM pfren "How dare you, my mother was a calculator."

uhhh...im pfren coded u. think hes gonna give a u IQ abv a 10-key ? 

Thee_Ghostess_Lola
TheNameofNames wrote:

lmao i meant h4 i dont know why i do that embarrassing lol

feel free to make bleeve. its charming happy.png . now. turn ur cap sidewayz.