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LordHarnois

My lord, this boy is great! Perhaps better than me. I could possibly be exagerating a bit but he truly is very skilled for being young. Keep this boy under your wing until he can emerge 2900 elo. Which by the looks of his play should be in about a week. Once again, perhaps a bit exageration. You get my point though.

LordHarnois
naturalproduct wrote:

I think he plays really well.... And I think everyone who plays chess is a little weird....some are just downright nuts. When he starts chatting to his invisible friend Thomas....then you have issues..

This is the best comment I have ever heard. +1

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naturalproduct wrote:

I think he plays really well.... And I think everyone who plays chess is a little weird....some are just downright nuts. When he starts chatting to his invisible friend Thomas....then you have issues..

Well. He's not a normal boy, has some issues. His parents just say he's a genius and a bit "different", me and my parents believe that he's got Asperger's syndrome.

I guess he's fitting to be the new Fischer.

BabyRhinoRainbow

Throw a ball at his head to see if he had ultra-good reflexes!

Chessgod123
Cnacnel wrote:
naturalproduct wrote:

I think he plays really well.... And I think everyone who plays chess is a little weird....some are just downright nuts. When he starts chatting to his invisible friend Thomas....then you have issues..

Well. He's not a normal boy, has some issues. His parents just say he's a genius and a bit "different", me and my parents believe that he's got Asperger's syndrome.

I guess he's fitting to be the new Fischer.


Hmm, I'm not quite sure what's going on here ... Fischer? Give it a break. You said he was 12, right? My cousins play like that at 8.

Frankly it seems he has started nicely but don't get ahead of yourselves. Even after the opening advice you gave him he seemed happy to bring his Queen out for Move 3. That's a weak attitude; focus on getting rid of it.

The next step is for you to make him play some stronger players. Those who won't miss or leave themselves open to 1 or 2-move material wins (by this I mean, they will not hang a piece, and they will never miss an opportunity to win material the next move, e.g. immediate fork or scewer, nor will they leave themselves open to such) would be appropriate opponents. There is nothing good about watching a possibly (but possibly not) talented young kid defeating a bunch of people in terrible style, relying on opportunistic blunders. Instead, you need to put him in a position against enemies who are stronger than him, and in trying to hang on against him, not only will you get some nice shows of tenacity you can post on here which will genuinely be worth praising him for, but you will also get significant tactical improvement on his part. Your attitude so far seems to be to hail him as the next Fischer when up till now he seems no different from many typical talented beginners!

ZAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

No need to post engine analysis after every move in the opening..

jakefusaro
vanelau wrote:

LordHarnois wrote:

Cnacnel wrote:

 

AndyClifton wrote:

 

How well does he wear clothes?

 

 

What do you mean?

To others: I think he plays amazingly well. Does every kid improve so fast?

@vanelau: he's white!

 

 

And if he was black or asian? What are you trying to say Cnacnel?

 

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I didn't mean to say anything! I just gave my honest opinion on what the kid needed to work on, and I thought he played pretty well for a beginner. I never made any racist comments! Are you just assuming all this cuz I'm Asian?

Haha lol, great misunderstanding, he meant that he was in control of the white pieces, I'm sure other beat me to this one, though.

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Chessgod123 wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:
naturalproduct wrote:

I think he plays really well.... And I think everyone who plays chess is a little weird....some are just downright nuts. When he starts chatting to his invisible friend Thomas....then you have issues..

Well. He's not a normal boy, has some issues. His parents just say he's a genius and a bit "different", me and my parents believe that he's got Asperger's syndrome.

I guess he's fitting to be the new Fischer.


Hmm, I'm not quite sure what's going on here ... Fischer? Give it a break. You said he was 12, right? My cousins play like that at 8.

Frankly it seems he has started nicely but don't get ahead of yourselves. Even after the opening advice you gave him he seemed happy to bring his Queen out for Move 3. That's a weak attitude; focus on getting rid of it.

The next step is for you to make him play some stronger players. Those who won't miss or leave themselves open to 1 or 2-move material wins (by this I mean, they will not hang a piece, and they will never miss an opportunity to win material the next move, e.g. immediate fork or scewer, nor will they leave themselves open to such) would be appropriate opponents. There is nothing good about watching a possibly (but possibly not) talented young kid defeating a bunch of people in terrible style, relying on opportunistic blunders. Instead, you need to put him in a position against enemies who are stronger than him, and in trying to hang on against him, not only will you get some nice shows of tenacity you can post on here which will genuinely be worth praising him for, but you will also get significant tactical improvement on his part. Your attitude so far seems to be to hail him as the next Fischer when up till now he seems no different from many typical talented beginners!

Fischer also had Asperger's. That's why the comparision was made. :P

Where did he hang a piece? I think he plays amazingly well, I don't have much comparision since I don't know other young players (well, I know Abhishek is very young and plays amazingly well, but I don't know for how long has he learned already).

About the queen on third move. He was playing black... I flipped the board so you can see it from his perspective. Or maybe there is some misunderstanding?

ZAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP wrote:

No need to post engine analysis after every move in the opening..

See what I wrote in the post "I analyzed it with computer for myself to see if I'm missing something, I hope you have no problem with it. (it's a bother to remove those variations one by one)"

And if you mean 2nd and 3rd game, analysis is made by me, not the computer.

helltank

Your cousin plays okay, but I was better than him when I was his age, I know several people who would crush him when they were his age and to top it all off, he has little tactical sense and the word "positionally" is not in his vocabulary.

He plays like this:

1)Get pieces out

2)Do nothing and wait for opponent to blunder

3)Capitalize on blunder

4)Checkmate

5)???

6)PROFIT

johnyoudell

Could he not play here?

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helltank wrote:

Your cousin plays okay, but I was better than him when I was his age, I know several people who would crush him when they were his age and to top it all off, he has little tactical sense and the word "positionally" is not in his vocabulary.

He plays like this:

1)Get pieces out

2)Do nothing and wait for opponent to blunder

3)Capitalize on blunder

4)Checkmate

5)???

6)PROFIT

Looking at your games I'd say that he's already on your current level or even better.

And talking about little tactical sense, check out the 3rd game. I was honestly shocked when I saw him play it. I wouldn't have done it better.

johnyoudell wrote:

Could he not play here?

This isn't really a kid-friendly site... :/ Maybe I'd set him up an account when he comes in 2 days. For now he has chesskids.com. I wonder how's he doing.

EpinephelusTT

       I think some of you must have forgotten that Mareczek has been taught only the last few months, as his cousin said...

       If he was now 6 years old, he may have almost the same performance, and he would be really better at his 10,12 or 14.  Anyway, you can compare him with kids that have been taught chess for about the same period, if you want, but not with kids that have been playing chess for years.

          As I see on these 3 games, he could possibly beat me, and probably many other kids could. I only wish I had such a good teacher when I started playing chess..Cool

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doduobird123 wrote:

Your cousin plays great. I am amazed that he already knows to fianchetto. I think you could teach him some openings like the Italian Game (my favorite), thats a great opening for intermediates/beginners. Or maybe the Ruy Lopez. Maybe you could make him focus on attacking the king. His development is supreme, his tactics are average, but he doesn't attack that well. In all the games, he relied on the enemies blunders in order to attack. Try teaching him pawn storms and rook lifts and other attacking ideas. He has awesome potential!

He knows fianchetto because I like fianchetto! :P Pawn storm and rook lift. Great idea for a lesson! I guess I'll prepare it for him. Together with game analysis (I prepared my game against CM here, I bet some day he can avenge me! :D).

I also prepared a tactical puzzle for him ^^, to improve his mating net. [see possible variations in the move list] Mate in 5 (it's from my game, I only found mate in 6 :( ):

LoekBergman

Great play for someone who has only recently started to play chess!

C-nack

His new game on chesskid.com. He sadly didn't see a simple tactics in the opening, I think I should go through http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lab/7378/traps.htm with him. [1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 c5? 3.Nxe5 f6?? 4.Qh5+ g6 5.Nxg6 1-0 Wall-Lewis, Wilkesboro, NC 1976 ]

His inexperience with opening patterns was clear in this game. Not a very good game, I hope he just had a worse day. Although, saying that, I'm pretty happy that he was able to get a very nice mate.



Chessgod123
Cnacnel wrote:

His new game on chesskid.com. He sadly didn't see a simple tactics in the opening, I think I should go through http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lab/7378/traps.htm with him. [1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 c5? 3.Nxe5 f6?? 4.Qh5+ g6 5.Nxg6 1-0 Wall-Lewis, Wilkesboro, NC 1976 ]

His inexperience with opening patterns was clear in this game. Not a very good game, I hope he just had a worse day. Although, saying that, I'm pretty happy that he was able to get a very nice mate.

 




This game shows the issue I commented on. He evidently has scarcely any tactical insight at this point. He relies on "2-move tactics" in general (i.e. 1-move tactics are waiting for your opponents to hang a piece or leave themselves open to direct checkmate in 1; 2-move tactics are being able to create situations where your opponents will lose a piece the next turn) and wholesomely misses any tactics that are longer than 2-moves ahead. I appreciate that you want him to do well but a game in which 4 consecutive moves (!) were annotated by ?? blunder marks is not one he should be impressed by winning. He should instead get used to losing - probably on Chess.com, considering that he's 12 and not 4 - and thereby getting better.

23. Rd7 was a strong move that shows good intuition (since mate is 4 moves on if properly defended and he wouldn't have been able to calculae that far). But tactically he has a long way to go and resembles many players of about a year (of chess experience) who I know.

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Chessgod123 wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:

But tactically he has a long way to go and resembles many players of about a year (of chess experience) who I know.

Well, he still has more than half a year to resemble the players you mention. :)

Chessgod123
Cnacnel wrote:
Chessgod123 wrote:
Cnacnel wrote:

But tactically he has a long way to go and resembles many players of about a year (of chess experience) who I know.

Well, he still has more than half a year to resemble the players you mention. :)

He is nonetheless considerably older than them as well.

That, however, is besides the point. You seem to want to show him off, which at this stage is an unfortunate sentiment because - however long he's been playing for - I know 7-year-olds who could beat him and he needs to keep improving steadily to become more worthy of attention. It's kind of like why 3-year-olds don't get attention just because they gravitate towards the board or can play games, but only when they begin improving to the level where their results show true potential for the future. Forget about showing off this cousin of yours, because his play has not yet lifted off the ground and if you don't help him to genuinely improve beyond this point then it never will lift off the ground. My indication of this is from the lack of difference between his tactical nause in the last game compared to one of the previous games. Perhaps he is improving; but before you show us his next game, let him make a marked improvement into it! And then I will comment and be impressed.

C-nack

I didn't create this thread to "show him of". :P

In my first post I posed a question "What do you think about his potential?". I don't know how a kid after 4 months should be playing and what is the average pace of improvement for a 12 yo. This is the main reason why I created this thread.

I thank you for your insight though.

BabyRhinoRainbow

No person named "chessgod" has any reason to complain about people showing off XD