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CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
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lst931207 wrote:

My guess is that might not be the same player, might be one of the student playing against. You never know. Probably check the game he won against stronger players.

in a rated game that should be against TOS.

Which is probably why he plays so much unrated.

makes sense lol  But I still think it should be against TOS.   I mean the whole reason I'm against speedruns is not necessarily because of rating points,  but because of duping people out of competitive matches which is what they are signing up for.  And you can't blame people for being angry about it.

It is rare for a person to play against multiple speedrunners, so I don't think streamers are duping many people out of competitive matches. It really depends on how you look at it. Unrated is where you go to play without the risk of losing rating points. If someone wants to let his little brother play and you are against that, then realize that he wouldn't get away with it in rated, and you should probably stay there for a consistent challenge. Plus, since so few people play unrated, you will get a vast rating variation.

Because its not just the streamers  that are playing on multiple accounts.  They are leading by example.

Everyone else knows they can't do it without permission, so if they open another account, then either they don't know the rules, or they are dishonest. If the player I played was manipulating his rating, then he belongs to the second category.

They are dishonest,  but the streamers being sanctioned to do it officially,  are encouraging that dishonesty.  its considered fun and has become fashionable and this is the site to do it on.

But if you think about the concept of streamer speedruns, they are, by themselves, beneficial in my opinion. Lower rated players get to play a higher level player without losing rating points and learn from them (unless it's a speedrun with a catch), and it brings fun entertainment. When higher rated players make another account without authorization, then that's when people get cheated. That's why 'smurfing' isn't so bad in unrated, because you can challenge lower rated players without them being cheated. Once you cross the line and break the guidelines set in place, then it's on you.

alphaous
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
lst931207 wrote:

My guess is that might not be the same player, might be one of the student playing against. You never know. Probably check the game he won against stronger players.

in a rated game that should be against TOS.

Which is probably why he plays so much unrated.

makes sense lol  But I still think it should be against TOS.   I mean the whole reason I'm against speedruns is not necessarily because of rating points,  but because of duping people out of competitive matches which is what they are signing up for.  And you can't blame people for being angry about it.

It is rare for a person to play against multiple speedrunners, so I don't think streamers are duping many people out of competitive matches. It really depends on how you look at it. Unrated is where you go to play without the risk of losing rating points. If someone wants to let his little brother play and you are against that, then realize that he wouldn't get away with it in rated, and you should probably stay there for a consistent challenge. Plus, since so few people play unrated, you will get a vast rating variation.

Because its not just the streamers  that are playing on multiple accounts.  They are leading by example.

Everyone else knows they can't do it without permission, so if they open another account, then either they don't know the rules, or they are dishonest. If the player I played was manipulating his rating, then he belongs to the second category.

They are dishonest,  but the streamers being sanctioned to do it officially,  are encouraging that dishonesty.  its considered fun and has become fashionable and this is the site to do it on.

But if you think about the concept of streamer speedruns, they are, by themselves, beneficial in my opinion. Lower rated players get to play a higher level player without losing rating points and learn from them (unless it's a speedrun with a catch), and it brings fun entertainment. When higher rated players make another account without authorization, then that's when people get cheated. That's why 'smurfing' isn't so bad in unrated, because you can challenge lower rated players without them being cheated. Once you cross the line and break the guidelines set in place, then it's on you.

And to be honest, if you want to continue with this subject, then this is the thread for you:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-are-speedruns-even-allowed?page=16#last_comment

 

alphaous
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
lst931207 wrote:

My guess is that might not be the same player, might be one of the student playing against. You never know. Probably check the game he won against stronger players.

in a rated game that should be against TOS.

Which is probably why he plays so much unrated.

makes sense lol  But I still think it should be against TOS.   I mean the whole reason I'm against speedruns is not necessarily because of rating points,  but because of duping people out of competitive matches which is what they are signing up for.  And you can't blame people for being angry about it.

It is rare for a person to play against multiple speedrunners, so I don't think streamers are duping many people out of competitive matches. It really depends on how you look at it. Unrated is where you go to play without the risk of losing rating points. If someone wants to let his little brother play and you are against that, then realize that he wouldn't get away with it in rated, and you should probably stay there for a consistent challenge. Plus, since so few people play unrated, you will get a vast rating variation.

Because its not just the streamers  that are playing on multiple accounts.  They are leading by example.

Everyone else knows they can't do it without permission, so if they open another account, then either they don't know the rules, or they are dishonest. If the player I played was manipulating his rating, then he belongs to the second category.

They are dishonest,  but the streamers being sanctioned to do it officially,  are encouraging that dishonesty.  its considered fun and has become fashionable and this is the site to do it on.

But if you think about the concept of streamer speedruns, they are, by themselves, beneficial in my opinion. Lower rated players get to play a higher level player without losing rating points and learn from them (unless it's a speedrun with a catch), and it brings fun entertainment. When higher rated players make another account without authorization, then that's when people get cheated. That's why 'smurfing' isn't so bad in unrated, because you can challenge lower rated players without them being cheated. Once you cross the line and break the guidelines set in place, then it's on you.

And to be honest, if you want to continue with this subject, then this is the thread for you:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-are-speedruns-even-allowed?page=16#last_comment

 

SOrry bud,  but its the root of exacerbating alot of problems on this site.  Relates to many things.

I really don't understand what you are saying, and as it doesn't seem relevant to the topic, I politely suggest you go to the other thread, because I honestly think you have more to say on the subject than I do.

alphaous
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
lst931207 wrote:

My guess is that might not be the same player, might be one of the student playing against. You never know. Probably check the game he won against stronger players.

in a rated game that should be against TOS.

Which is probably why he plays so much unrated.

makes sense lol  But I still think it should be against TOS.   I mean the whole reason I'm against speedruns is not necessarily because of rating points,  but because of duping people out of competitive matches which is what they are signing up for.  And you can't blame people for being angry about it.

It is rare for a person to play against multiple speedrunners, so I don't think streamers are duping many people out of competitive matches. It really depends on how you look at it. Unrated is where you go to play without the risk of losing rating points. If someone wants to let his little brother play and you are against that, then realize that he wouldn't get away with it in rated, and you should probably stay there for a consistent challenge. Plus, since so few people play unrated, you will get a vast rating variation.

Because its not just the streamers  that are playing on multiple accounts.  They are leading by example.

Everyone else knows they can't do it without permission, so if they open another account, then either they don't know the rules, or they are dishonest. If the player I played was manipulating his rating, then he belongs to the second category.

They are dishonest,  but the streamers being sanctioned to do it officially,  are encouraging that dishonesty.  its considered fun and has become fashionable and this is the site to do it on.

But if you think about the concept of streamer speedruns, they are, by themselves, beneficial in my opinion. Lower rated players get to play a higher level player without losing rating points and learn from them (unless it's a speedrun with a catch), and it brings fun entertainment. When higher rated players make another account without authorization, then that's when people get cheated. That's why 'smurfing' isn't so bad in unrated, because you can challenge lower rated players without them being cheated. Once you cross the line and break the guidelines set in place, then it's on you.

And to be honest, if you want to continue with this subject, then this is the thread for you:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-are-speedruns-even-allowed?page=16#last_comment

 

SOrry bud,  but its the root of exacerbating alot of problems on this site.  Relates to many things.

I really don't understand what you are saying, and as it doesn't seem relevant to the topic, I politely suggest you go to the other thread, because I honestly think you have more to say on the subject than I do.

Its ironic that you have stated rating manipulation is a problem in this very thread,  yet you don't want to admit that speedrunning encourages it.  now you are hoping the thread gets locked.  interesting.

I don't want this thread to get locked, but the things you were saying seem to suggest that YOU don't care. I didn't make a broad statement about rating manipulation, I just admitted that my opponent might have done it. YOU made a statement about speedrunning that I disagreed with, even if I thought your argument had merit. I was merely engaging in friendly conversation, but you continued to express your thoughts, making it close to a debate about a subject that was not the point of the thread! I was asking for thoughts about a match I played with a higher rated opponent, but you apparently wanted to talk more in-depth about speedrunning, which is why I gave you a link to a thread made to talk about speedrunning, and it has a lot of opinions which i thought you would appreciate. I was honestly trying to be helpful, as I think your thoughts, which I honestly thought interesting, would be more appreciated over there. You then proceeded to say some random nonsense which is definitely not relevant. There is no merit left in this conversation, so if you want to continue talking about speedrunning, please go to the other thread.

alphaous
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
lst931207 wrote:

My guess is that might not be the same player, might be one of the student playing against. You never know. Probably check the game he won against stronger players.

in a rated game that should be against TOS.

Which is probably why he plays so much unrated.

makes sense lol  But I still think it should be against TOS.   I mean the whole reason I'm against speedruns is not necessarily because of rating points,  but because of duping people out of competitive matches which is what they are signing up for.  And you can't blame people for being angry about it.

It is rare for a person to play against multiple speedrunners, so I don't think streamers are duping many people out of competitive matches. It really depends on how you look at it. Unrated is where you go to play without the risk of losing rating points. If someone wants to let his little brother play and you are against that, then realize that he wouldn't get away with it in rated, and you should probably stay there for a consistent challenge. Plus, since so few people play unrated, you will get a vast rating variation.

Because its not just the streamers  that are playing on multiple accounts.  They are leading by example.

Everyone else knows they can't do it without permission, so if they open another account, then either they don't know the rules, or they are dishonest. If the player I played was manipulating his rating, then he belongs to the second category.

They are dishonest,  but the streamers being sanctioned to do it officially,  are encouraging that dishonesty.  its considered fun and has become fashionable and this is the site to do it on.

But if you think about the concept of streamer speedruns, they are, by themselves, beneficial in my opinion. Lower rated players get to play a higher level player without losing rating points and learn from them (unless it's a speedrun with a catch), and it brings fun entertainment. When higher rated players make another account without authorization, then that's when people get cheated. That's why 'smurfing' isn't so bad in unrated, because you can challenge lower rated players without them being cheated. Once you cross the line and break the guidelines set in place, then it's on you.

And to be honest, if you want to continue with this subject, then this is the thread for you:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-are-speedruns-even-allowed?page=16#last_comment

 

SOrry bud,  but its the root of exacerbating alot of problems on this site.  Relates to many things.

I really don't understand what you are saying, and as it doesn't seem relevant to the topic, I politely suggest you go to the other thread, because I honestly think you have more to say on the subject than I do.

Its ironic that you have stated rating manipulation is a problem in this very thread,  yet you don't want to admit that speedrunning encourages it.  now you are hoping the thread gets locked.  interesting.

I don't want this thread to get locked, but the things you were saying seem to suggest that YOU don't care. I didn't make a broad statement about rating manipulation, I just admitted that my opponent might have done it. YOU made a statement about speedrunning that I disagreed with, even if I thought your argument had merit. I was merely engaging in friendly conversation, but you continued to express your thoughts, making it close to a debate about a subject that was not the point of the thread! I was asking for thoughts about a match I played with a higher rated opponent, but you apparently wanted to talk more in-depth about speedrunning, which is why I gave you a link to a thread made to talk about speedrunning, and it has a lot of opinions which i thought you would appreciate. I was honestly trying to be helpful, as I think your thoughts, which I honestly thought interesting, would be more appreciated over there. You then proceeded to say some random nonsense which is definitely not relevant. There is no merit left in this conversation, so if you want to continue talking about speedrunning, please go to the other thread.

 

you " just admitted that your opponent might have done it".  Thanks for admitting it was you who bought up rating manipulation and not me.

I didn't say that I didn't bring it up, I said that you turned it into a conversation about speedrunning. A few people brought rating manipulation up as a possible answer to my question, and I agreed it was possible. You spun the conversation out of control when you accused me of wanting this thread to get locked. Why would I want my own thread to get locked, especially when I made it to answer a question of mine?

AKSallam
Your analysis doesn’t really happen again so I don’t see the point
alphaous
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
alphaous wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
lst931207 wrote:

My guess is that might not be the same player, might be one of the student playing against. You never know. Probably check the game he won against stronger players.

in a rated game that should be against TOS.

Which is probably why he plays so much unrated.

makes sense lol  But I still think it should be against TOS.   I mean the whole reason I'm against speedruns is not necessarily because of rating points,  but because of duping people out of competitive matches which is what they are signing up for.  And you can't blame people for being angry about it.

It is rare for a person to play against multiple speedrunners, so I don't think streamers are duping many people out of competitive matches. It really depends on how you look at it. Unrated is where you go to play without the risk of losing rating points. If someone wants to let his little brother play and you are against that, then realize that he wouldn't get away with it in rated, and you should probably stay there for a consistent challenge. Plus, since so few people play unrated, you will get a vast rating variation.

Because its not just the streamers  that are playing on multiple accounts.  They are leading by example.

Everyone else knows they can't do it without permission, so if they open another account, then either they don't know the rules, or they are dishonest. If the player I played was manipulating his rating, then he belongs to the second category.

They are dishonest,  but the streamers being sanctioned to do it officially,  are encouraging that dishonesty.  its considered fun and has become fashionable and this is the site to do it on.

But if you think about the concept of streamer speedruns, they are, by themselves, beneficial in my opinion. Lower rated players get to play a higher level player without losing rating points and learn from them (unless it's a speedrun with a catch), and it brings fun entertainment. When higher rated players make another account without authorization, then that's when people get cheated. That's why 'smurfing' isn't so bad in unrated, because you can challenge lower rated players without them being cheated. Once you cross the line and break the guidelines set in place, then it's on you.

And to be honest, if you want to continue with this subject, then this is the thread for you:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-are-speedruns-even-allowed?page=16#last_comment

 

SOrry bud,  but its the root of exacerbating alot of problems on this site.  Relates to many things.

I really don't understand what you are saying, and as it doesn't seem relevant to the topic, I politely suggest you go to the other thread, because I honestly think you have more to say on the subject than I do.

Its ironic that you have stated rating manipulation is a problem in this very thread,  yet you don't want to admit that speedrunning encourages it.  now you are hoping the thread gets locked.  interesting.

I don't want this thread to get locked, but the things you were saying seem to suggest that YOU don't care. I didn't make a broad statement about rating manipulation, I just admitted that my opponent might have done it. YOU made a statement about speedrunning that I disagreed with, even if I thought your argument had merit. I was merely engaging in friendly conversation, but you continued to express your thoughts, making it close to a debate about a subject that was not the point of the thread! I was asking for thoughts about a match I played with a higher rated opponent, but you apparently wanted to talk more in-depth about speedrunning, which is why I gave you a link to a thread made to talk about speedrunning, and it has a lot of opinions which i thought you would appreciate. I was honestly trying to be helpful, as I think your thoughts, which I honestly thought interesting, would be more appreciated over there. You then proceeded to say some random nonsense which is definitely not relevant. There is no merit left in this conversation, so if you want to continue talking about speedrunning, please go to the other thread.

 

you " just admitted that your opponent might have done it".  Thanks for admitting it was you who bought up rating manipulation and not me.

I didn't say that I didn't bring it up, I said that you turned it into a conversation about speedrunning. A few people brought rating manipulation up as a possible answer to my question, and I agreed it was possible. You spun the conversation out of control when you accused me of wanting this thread to get locked. Why would I want my own thread to get locked, especially when I made it to answer a question of mine?

Because you support speedrunning,  even though its part of the root of your problem.

I can see that you joined the other thread before I recommended it.......... and got into a few arguments. I don't feel too strongly about speedrunning either way, (I am in favor of it a little, and I agree with @NikkiLikeChikki's assessment on the first page of the speedrunning thread) and I don't think it caused my problem, especially as I have no reason to believe he has multiple accounts. Why do you want to blame everything on speedrunning? If you continue to try stirring up trouble I will report you. Go back to arguing in the other forum if you want, I have had enough of this.

alphaous
llama47 wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:

ha I can probably do blindfold bullet and still beat a 1000 a couple times... just move fast, premove, and wait for it to end...

maybe it is blindfold, ever thought of asking them?

I happen to know a 1000 bullet. Mind if I ask him if he wants to participate in this experiment?

I tried a bullet experiment (1|0) with a new account. I was only allowed to move knights and pawns for the first 30 moves (recaptures and any legal move to get out of check was allowed).

I was able to stay above 1500... so yeah, shuffling around blindfolded to stay above 1000 shouldn't be hard.

I finally won this way!

https://www.chess.com/game/live/29211608403

 I actually didn't notice when it hit move 31, which is why I didn't move my bishop.

llama47
alphaous wrote:
llama47 wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:

ha I can probably do blindfold bullet and still beat a 1000 a couple times... just move fast, premove, and wait for it to end...

maybe it is blindfold, ever thought of asking them?

I happen to know a 1000 bullet. Mind if I ask him if he wants to participate in this experiment?

I tried a bullet experiment (1|0) with a new account. I was only allowed to move knights and pawns for the first 30 moves (recaptures and any legal move to get out of check was allowed).

I was able to stay above 1500... so yeah, shuffling around blindfolded to stay above 1000 shouldn't be hard.

I finally won this way!

https://www.chess.com/game/live/29211608403

 I actually didn't notice when it hit move 31, which is why I didn't move my bishop.

Won with less than a second on your clock. That's what makes bullet so exciting happy.png

But yeah, good job.

Goyael

@alphaous thanks for telling me to put my 6 move checkmate (King of the hill) in game showcase!

alphaous
llama47 wrote:
alphaous wrote:
llama47 wrote:
alphaous wrote:
ninjaswat wrote:

ha I can probably do blindfold bullet and still beat a 1000 a couple times... just move fast, premove, and wait for it to end...

maybe it is blindfold, ever thought of asking them?

I happen to know a 1000 bullet. Mind if I ask him if he wants to participate in this experiment?

I tried a bullet experiment (1|0) with a new account. I was only allowed to move knights and pawns for the first 30 moves (recaptures and any legal move to get out of check was allowed).

I was able to stay above 1500... so yeah, shuffling around blindfolded to stay above 1000 shouldn't be hard.

I finally won this way!

https://www.chess.com/game/live/29211608403

 I actually didn't notice when it hit move 31, which is why I didn't move my bishop.

Won with less than a second on your clock. That's what makes bullet so exciting

But yeah, good job.

And stressful, not to mention stroke-inducing for Stockfish, lol.

alphaous
Goyael wrote:

@alphaous thanks for telling me to put my 6 move checkmate (King of the hill) in game showcase!

No problem.

nido666
alphaous wrote:

Yesterday I accepted an unrated 1 min game from a 2000 rated bullet player. I am 1500 blitz and 1000 rated bullet. I expected to get destroyed and maybe learn something, but to my shock, I won four out of our five games! I was ahead on time for most of the games, but I didn't just win on time, in most of the games I was dominating! So am I a secret prodigy, Is he overrated, or was he messing around since it was unrated?

he was probably messing if you're not that good against other players.But if u dominate other players as well u may be a secret prodigy(maybe or maybe not)

alphaous
nido666 wrote:
alphaous wrote:

Yesterday I accepted an unrated 1 min game from a 2000 rated bullet player. I am 1500 blitz and 1000 rated bullet. I expected to get destroyed and maybe learn something, but to my shock, I won four out of our five games! I was ahead on time for most of the games, but I didn't just win on time, in most of the games I was dominating! So am I a secret prodigy, Is he overrated, or was he messing around since it was unrated?

he was probably messing if you're not that good against other players.But if u dominate other players as well u may be a secret prodigy(maybe or maybe not)

Hopefully, I am. wink.png

alphaous
AKSallam wrote:
Your analysis doesn’t really happen again so I don’t see the point

I'm afraid I don't understand what you said.

Goyael

WTF https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/29144386115?tab=report

Goyael

No, actually I won 6 moves in king of the hill and my opponent made a mistake of moving only his king and e4 pawn

alphaous
CooloutAC wrote:
Goyael wrote:

No, actually I won 6 moves in king of the hill and my opponent made a mistake of moving only his king and e4 pawn

ok my mistake.  I don't even know what king of the hill is.   I saw him moving just his king and ha dno idea what was going on.  just ignore my comment lol.

King of the hill is a variant where the first person to get his king to one of the four central squares wins. Checkmate still applies. I have played a funny king of the hill game where I got my king to the center and won, but if my opponent had been able to move, it would have been checkmate.

alphaous

Update: I've reached 1600 blitz since last week. I think we should go with the 'secret prodigy' option.wink.png

Goyael

I won jack-o-lantern