h6 mistake?

"You can't say h6 is a mistake if it was never played."

Not making moves can be a mistake.  Read up.

Not playing Nf6 earlier could be a mistake in the following.

Don't make me bring out my tic-tac-toe diagrams.

And people link intelligence with chess... Just ignore them, Tiger. They have poor reading comprehension. 

@LightninHopkins

It is not our reading comprehension that is wrong. It is the OP understanding of the position. He simply does not see what we are saying in the position. I believe it is becuase he does not understand the position.

@tigerprowl9

"You can't say h6 is a mistake if it was never played."

Not making moves can be a mistake.  Read up.

Not playing Nf6 earlier could be a mistake in the following.

^^

This is the Diagram you showed. However, you did not add any move orders to it so I did just to demonstrate what I am talking about.

In the position above the move that is considered the mistake or blunder with the 2 questions marks is the move 3...Nc6.

You can not say the move Nf6 is a mistake. Because Nf6 was not played and does not have to be played to stop the threat of the checkmate. Plenty of moves can be played Be6, f6, Qe6, Qe7. If you are going to believe Nf6 is a mistake than you have to also believe Be6, f6,Qe6, Qe7 is a mistake as well. Which simply is not logical.

The mistake is only 1 move and that move is Nc6 that is the move that was played that lets white checkmate. Grandmasters and the chess community will put the Question marks on that Nc6 move.

The same holds true to your game. I will also demonstrate.

The move h6 does not have to be played to stop Bxh7 threat. You have plenty of moves that can be played at move 12 or 13 that stops this threat. Yet in your forum post topic title you said "h6 mistake?"

It is not a mistake it will never be a mistake because it was never played. You can not put a question mark or exclaimation mark on a move that has not been played. An you can not even suggest that it is a possible mistake because in this position its a terrible move.

To keep it simple I will go over possible move's that could have been played on move 13 before you played your mistake move d5.

Which d5 should be the one with a dubious remark next to it not h6.

An let me show you why here is a visiual.

13...Bd7  , 13...Rb8, 13...Ba6   all stop the move's e5 and Bxh7.

13...Ba6

13...Rb8

13...Bd7

So just ask yourself how on earth is h6 a mistake. The move that was the mistake was 1 move d5. You did not have to play that move. An yet you say h6 is a mistake. If I had this position I would of played 1 of those 3 alternative move's. Does that mean they are mistakes too?

They are all mistakes I guess. Than you go on to try and insult people's intelligence when this topic is not even logical. Labeling moves that are mistakes that have never been played.

Well thats fine I guess I can do it to maybe the mistake in this position is Kf8. If the king was to run to the queen side he would not have to worry about the 1 queen and 1 bishop attacking him.

"Plenty of moves can be played Be6, f6, Qe6, Qe7."

Qe6 cannot be played.  However, your point is that there are alternatives.  I already understand that.  If you don't play a move that can prevent mate in 1, then I consider that a bad move.

"If you are going to believe Nf6 is a mistake than you have to also believe Be6, f6,Qe6, Qe7 is a mistake as well. Which simply is not logical."

If getting mate is not a mistake, then you might have a point.  I was commenting based on a person wanting to prevent being mated.  Therefore, a move which brings about mate earlier could be construed most definitely as a mistake if not played.

"It is not a mistake it will never be a mistake because it was never played."

So, mass murder is not a mistake until someone does it?  Gotcha.  Nothing is innate. 

"So just ask yourself how on earth is h6 a mistake."

I asked Stockfish and got a concise, coherent, and reasonable reply within minutes without the jibber jabber of arguing for argument sake.

Again, I will agree with Stockfish or a higher engine before any other human player.

tigerprowl9

"Plenty of moves can be played Be6, f6, Qe6, Qe7."

Qe6 cannot be played.  However, your point is that there are alternatives.  I already understand that.  If you don't play a move that can prevent mate in 1, then I consider that a bad move.

^^^

Now you are begining to understand what me and Fiveofswords are talking about. Your statement highlighted above in red is exactly correct. If you don't play a move to prevent mate in 1 then the move that is played is a bad move. Which in that diagram was 3...Nc6?? < The bad move.

However, the alternative moves that are not played can not be considered a mistake becuase you don't know which alternative move will be played.

(Be6, f6, Qd7, Qe7,Nf6)   Qe6 was a error ment to say Qd7

"If you are going to believe Nf6 is a mistake than you have to also believe Be6, f6,Qe6, Qe7 is a mistake as well. Which simply is not logical."

If getting mate is not a mistake, then you might have a point.  I was commenting based on a person wanting to prevent being mated.  Therefore, a move which brings about mate earlier could be construed most definitely as a mistake if not played.

Getting mated is a mistake.

The move that is played which allows mate is a mistake.

"It is not a mistake it will never be a mistake because it was never played."

So, mass murder is not a mistake until someone does it?  Gotcha.  Nothing is innate. 

This has nothing to do with chess and is terrible a metaphor.

"So just ask yourself how on earth is h6 a mistake."

I asked Stockfish and got a concise, coherent, and reasonable reply within minutes without the jibber jabber of arguing for argument sake.

Again, I will agree with Stockfish or a higher engine before any other human player.

The problem is you are not agreeing with Stockfish either. The screen shot you posted showed Stockfish liking the move Bxh7 for white. However, In that screen shot it never said for black to play h6 to defend against it?

"The screen shot you posted showed Stockfish liking the move Bxh7 for white."

You sir would be correct.

"In that screen shot it never said for black to play h6 to defend against it?"

Right, it never said for the Annunaki to come.

You sir are correct.

I am not asking about what was said.  I am asking what could I ask of myself to play h6.

"by the way you worded the question it seems like you are asking if h6 was the mistake"

If you look at the game you can obviously see that is not what was intended.  It was never played, as declared by other posters.

"now it seems like you are asking if h6 would have been a mistake, or perhaps if not playing it would have been a mistake."

This has always been the question.  Take the null hypothesis and state h6 was a mistake (playing h6).  Then reject it.  Conclusion, h6 could have been played.

Get someone else who understands this position and we can have a conversation.

They could say something like, "I wouldn't have played it, because _____"

Or, they could say something like, "Yea, I would have played it, because ____"

"This is all very vague and confusing stuff. H6 on what move?"

How do people not know after I posted a Stockfish analysis?

If you are qualified to scroll, you may go up to post #26.  There you will see the marvels of the relished question.

"so what you are saying is that you want to play h6 when its whites turn to move."

If that is what you want to believe, then that's your prerogative.  I was thinking of playing h6 before move 14 when it was black's turn.  At 14, it looks like black has already committed to the trade.  I don't have time now to look at it again.  However, that's exactly the reply I was hoping for 4 days ago when I did have the weekend to explore the possibilities.

This is one of the most pointless arguments on Chess.com, perhaps in history.

Please stop feeding the troll.