Good game,
I usually have trouble playing against the English.
Here, black has a rather strong attack...if only he had calculated better in the end
Thanks for posting this game, it really has helped my play
Help please with with quick mate attacks against English opening
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Feb 7, 2008
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its a good game since u did have a few minor blunders but he had some mager one.
This one is easy to avoid, just develop your knight with Nf3 on move 4 or 5 and you get a better position than black right away.
Actually, instead of Nf3 on move 5, what about Nd5 forcing the queen all the way back to d8 because of the threat on c7? I think white should have a good game after that.
oh! 5 Nd5 is very strong, great observation. I really should have developed the king's knight earlier. You're right. If he palyed e4 I could take the pawn with my queenside knight.
Thanks for feedback people. Yeah, it was a pretty good game, but i obviously need improvement.
As a player working on his English opening, I just want to say that this thread has been very helpful, and has offered a lot of things to think about. Thanks to everyone.
I usually try to achieve this formation during english opening play:
It seems pretty dynamic and has a lot of potential, but I often get cramped by pawns, so playing e4 and a4 can be a necessity sometimes to grab space. Honestly, though, I really need some pointers on setting up heat on the enemy king. It seems like a great strategy to target queenside material, but nothing really points at the king. If anyone would like to work on this opening with me just let me know. We could form a group to look into famous english opening games and each present a few different lines in a forum topic.
depth, I've been reading a book on the English and as I go back through this game, I've noticed some things. At the end of move six, you're position is actually quite strong. You have no weaknesses, and you can make black's Bc5 move a hindrance by playing a3, aiming for a b4 break. Also, your knight on c3 should be aiming for d5, not e4, as it makes no sense to trade your knight for that bad bishop. In this formation you'll probably want to put your king's knight on e2, depending on what black does. As I said in my earlier post, I'm just trying to get a handle on the English, but that's what I've learned so far.
I think Nf3 on the 5th move would've been a lot better. I also liked e3 on the 10th move. protecting the e3 square is the right idea, but running the white bishop around wasn't a good idea; he was on a good diagonal. I don't think you should've exchanged the dark squared bishop for that knight either. chase the knight off with a3 and play your bishop to b2 and he has a monster open diagonal :) that's just what i think.. good win!
The reason you are not getting kingside attacks in the english opening is that your pawn formation points to the queenside, that is where you have more space and where your play will generally lie.
As long as you aren't always playing for attacking the king, you should do fine. :)
depthshaman wrote:
I usually try to achieve this formation during english opening play:
It seems pretty dynamic and has a lot of potential, but I often get cramped by pawns, so playing e4 and a4 can be a necessity sometimes to grab space. Honestly, though, I really need some pointers on setting up heat on the enemy king. It seems like a great strategy to target queenside material, but nothing really points at the king. If anyone would like to work on this opening with me just let me know. We could form a group to look into famous english opening games and each present a few different lines in a forum topic.
Botvinnik huh, looks pretty cool. I'll look into it. I try my best to be an attacking player. Botvinnik is really agressive with his pawns there, something i'm not good at, but enjoy. I always like pushing out the f-pawn in front of a castled king. Thanks.
Mar 10, 2008
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#14
Hi again,
that was quite a nice game you played there! Imo your position wasn't nearly as bad as you thought it to be, as has been pointed out by many other contributors to this thread. Therefore I won't repeat what has been said already, but I would like to concentrate on a situation near the beginning of the game, namely after move six:
Early mating attacks are rare in the English, as the black king is not White's primary target, and White is much too solid to fall for an early storm. However, sometimes very weird lines pop up and play gets unusually sharp at an early stage. I know of a very nice example Suba-Sax, which I will find, possibly comment, and add to your "Communal English Exploration" thread shortly.
The Botvinnik setup is a good suggestion, as there are several plans available, but still quite typical not very hard to find. I myself don't like to play with a fixed centre like that, but that's really just a matter of taste. So have a go with it and see if you feel comfortable in the resulting positions.
Cheers,
Torkil
I have seen this a few times. ALthough I often win, (i did here) its frustrating how good of a position black can obtain here. Against 1. e4 i know the scholar mate is easily refuted and beaten back. Here though I had some difficulty and actually had a down right rotten position until the last five or so moves at which point I made a break through to his king. If he had castled earlier though, I'm sure he could have won. So any help with quick mates against Enligsh appreciated and any help with moves I missed. I'm relatively new to this opening and need some serious pointers. Looking over it I noticed a lot of wasted moves in the opening with pawns, so anyway to block his chessmen with more valuable development would help.